What other things do jacket junkies feel it's not ok to go for the cheapest option

[steve u]

Speaking of coffee ...I regularly spend $15 for a pound (or less) of roasted beans.
navetsea, I love the coffee from your part of the world.
steve ...no milk or sugar for me

 

[zebedee]

lot's of people these days seems to force themselves to wear or pretend to enjoy things they honestly don't care for just for the image to the public, paying $$$ for all that on top just to be seen as sophisticated

all the sudden there are lots of coffeeshop here that sells import coffee beans and people who visit there I bet they really eager to just pour creamer and some sugar to their coffee but forcing themselves to drink their coffee black and spending 2 hours chatting about the most ideal way in roasting coffee beans just because they need 2 hrs to finish their small cup of espresso they paid steak price for.

But Indonesian coffee surely wins hands down, right? It's like Starbucks in Vietnam- why would people go? Local coffee in both places is incredible.

 

[Big J]

True.
But people don't go to Starbucks for the coffee surely? They go for the deserts in a cup pretending to be coffee. Starbucks drinks are hyper sweet pretentious deserts in cups for people who can't drink real coffee.
And to hog tables whilst they use the free wifi.
I only go to Starbucks because it's about the only place I can read a book for a couple of hours without the staff bothering me whilst my wife is shopping.

 

[zebedee]

“The bombardment of pseudo-realities begins to produce inauthentic humans very quickly, spurious humans—as fake as the data pressing at them from all sides. My two topics are really one topic; they unite at this point. Fake realities will create fake humans. Or, fake humans will generate fake realities and then sell them to other humans, turning them, eventually, into forgeries of themselves. So we wind up with fake humans inventing fake realities and then peddling them to other fake humans. “ Philip K. Dick.

 

[Big J]

@zebedee,
Great quote, and quite true. Reminds me of something Baudrillard said about things becoming merely symbols of what we want people to think we are (or something like that).
I'm as guilty as the next because I express it with flight jackets (even reproductions!).
Dick is great for reality (can't believe I just wrote that).

 

[breezer]

I think, though, that the average person on the street is less likely to spot one of "our" preferred jacket types as a thing of specific expense, as opposed to a Rolex, which will elicit either the assumption that the individual has "money to burn" - or that it's a fake.

I've often thought that if I had the money to spend on serious watch, I might consider a Tudor version of the Submariner.

Edward the Tudor Submariner is a great option - my daily wearer is reference 75090 - known as the mid size......its 36mm, so it wear well and is all all Rolex DNA, apart from the ETA movement. Its my only Swiss watch and although in relative terms quite expensive, its something that gives me a great degree of pleasure........and of course you get to wear it all day, every day.

 

[dudewuttheheck]

Aside from underwear, I don't go for the cheapest option on any clothing items (I don't wear t shirts as undershirts just to be clear). I actually don't mind going for the cheapest with cars. Right now, I drive a Ford Fiesta and quite like it, especially with a manual gearbox.

I can't drink Starbucks, I think it's disgusting. I like to drink hipster-brewed espressos, but I only have them once a month or less so it's not like it's really an expense.

I spend a decent amount on computer gear, but not any more than I need and I use everything until it breaks.

 

[zebedee]

@zebedee,
Great quote, and quite true. Reminds me of something Baudrillard said about things becoming merely symbols of what we want people to think we are (or something like that).
I'm as guilty as the next because I express it with flight jackets (even reproductions!).
Dick is great for reality (can't believe I just wrote that).

Baudrillard had a great line on the real first being approximated by the simulation, then co-opting it, and then finally replacing/supplanting it- to the extent where it becomes impossible to remember the real at all.

 

[Monitor]

I can't drink Starbucks, I think it's disgusting.

I tried it in Canada, it's literally disgusting. I couldn't finish one cup how gross it was. Well, I guess it's a cultural difference as I'm used to drinking only home made Turkish coffee but Starbucks was shockingly undrinkable to me.

 

[HoosierDaddy]

I'm not a Starbucks fan at all. However, some seem as if they're addicted to it.

 

[Edward]

Funnily enough, while I always prefer a small indpendent when I have the option, if I'm somewhere where it's all chains, I much prefer a Macdonalds to Starbucks as Herself and I can have a latte and a tea, respectively, for les than the price of one drink in Starbucks - and, despite also offering free wifi, MickeyDs seem not to attract middle-class, work from home wannabes who'll buy one coffee and then take up a seat all day....

That said, I'm quite the fan of enjoying a few teas or lemonades in Maan Coffee on the campus I teach in in Beijing, and an hour or two with a decent novel. Not often I have that luxury in London.

I think that's partly right but many people buy the jackets as part of a knowing subculture where the status of hand crafted items has its own snobbery and ostentations, so the principle may be the same.

THat I totally get. I'm probably guilty of it to some extent as well.

A Tudor has that "poor man' Rolex" aura, unfortunately.

That's part of the appeal for me, tbh. Much as I admire the classic style of a Submariner (some of their other models with multiple dials are too fussy for me - when it comes to watches, I like one dial with the time on it; more than one knob is a deal-breaker, and ideally I prefer no date window as well), there's part of me just can't quite shake the notion of Rolex as a bit gauche somehow. I'm sure I've been influenced by the folks I've known in the jewellery trade who all seemed to be uniformly of the opinion that a Rolex was overpriced. But to each their own; for now I'm happy with my Invictus Whatsit, which is very definitely a poor man's Submariner, but I love it. I think if ever I could justify that sort of money on a watch, the Tudor would be high up the list.

Edward the Tudor Submariner is a great option - my daily wearer is reference 75090 - known as the mid size......its 36mm, so it wear well and is all all Rolex DNA, apart from the ETA movement. Its my only Swiss watch and although in relative terms quite expensive, its something that gives me a great degree of pleasure........and of course you get to wear it all day, every day. View attachment 154615

It does look lovely. (Funny you should use a Konica Pop for scale, too - I have that exact model camera somewhere. My parents bought it new for me in 1985!).

 

[jeo]

Agreed, Starbucks is disgusting watered down piss that they call coffee.

Although clearly not comparable to really good coffee but Dunkin Donuts coffee...man that sh*t is like crack.


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[Seb Lucas]

Funnily enough, while I always prefer a small indpendent when I have the option, if I'm somewhere where it's all chains, I much prefer a Macdonalds to Starbucks as Herself and I can have a latte and a tea, respectively, for les than the price of one drink in Starbucks - and, despite also offering free wifi, MickeyDs seem not to attract middle-class, work from home wannabes who'll buy one coffee and then take up a seat all day....

That said, I'm quite the fan of enjoying a few teas or lemonades in Maan Coffee on the campus I teach in in Beijing, and an hour or two with a decent novel. Not often I have that luxury in London.



THat I totally get. I'm probably guilty of it to some extent as well.



That's part of the appeal for me, tbh. Much as I admire the classic style of a Submariner (some of their other models with multiple dials are too fussy for me - when it comes to watches, I like one dial with the time on it; more than one knob is a deal-breaker, and ideally I prefer no date window as well), there's part of me just can't quite shake the notion of Rolex as a bit gauche somehow. I'm sure I've been influenced by the folks I've known in the jewellery trade who all seemed to be uniformly of the opinion that a Rolex was overpriced. But to each their own; for now I'm happy with my Invictus Whatsit, which is very definitely a poor man's Submariner, but I love it. I think if ever I could justify that sort of money on a watch, the Tudor would be high up the list.



It does look lovely. (Funny you should use a Konica Pop for scale, too - I have that exact model camera somewhere. My parents bought it new for me in 1985!).

There are people who really hate Rolex - my favourite line is Rolex make the best $1000 watch for $10,000.

The current bunch of Rolex watches I have handled all look unbelievably well made and the bracelets are miracles of machining. I have nearly shelled out the money a couple of times but a little voice in my ear keeps stopping me. I would feel somehow that I have failed.

I totally agree on the no date. The simple a a watch can be the better IMO.

I didn't realise Starbucks made coffee.

 

[dudewuttheheck]

I tried it in Canada, it's literally disgusting. I couldn't finish one cup how gross it was. Well, I guess it's a cultural difference as I'm used to drinking only home made Turkish coffee but Starbucks was shockingly undrinkable to me.

ooooh I LOVE Turkish coffee. That stuff is incredible. I used to think I hated coffee because the only coffee I had tried was Starbucks. Then I tried better coffee and realized that I just didn't like Starbucks.

 

[Big J]

@Seb Lucas,
What annoys me most about Rolex is that if I want some diamond encrusted gold Liberace looking thing, I can get it straight away, but if I want (and I do) a simple steel Submariner, no date-just, the bottom of the range, then it's not in stock and they want me to join a three year waiting list. It's an artificial lack of supply designed to maintain the brands 'exclusivity'. I guess they don't mind that this pushes resale values of base models above list price for new ones.
And this is where I find myself; d1cking around with specialist stores who scoop these up every year by ordering in advance, and then selling new watches second-hand with a mark up (you can probably tell, I'm angry about it, lol). The sheer aggravation of having to buy a 'luxury' product this way is off-putting, as is the obvious fact that Rolex don't care! They only really care about customers with more money then taste buying the Liberace cr*p than the simple steel base models (despite using pics of Chuck Yeager wearing his in the advertising for years).
Grrr.

 

[Seb Lucas]

@Seb Lucas,
What annoys me most about Rolex is that if I want some diamond encrusted gold Liberace looking thing, I can get it straight away, but if I want (and I do) a simple steel Submariner, no date-just, the bottom of the range, then it's not in stock and they want me to join a three year waiting list. It's an artificial lack of supply designed to maintain the brands 'exclusivity'. I guess they don't mind that this pushes resale values of base models above list price for new ones.
And this is where I find myself; d1cking around with specialist stores who scoop these up every year by ordering in advance, and then selling new watches second-hand with a mark up (you can probably tell, I'm angry about it, lol). The sheer aggravation of having to buy a 'luxury' product this way is off-putting, as is the obvious fact that Rolex don't care! They only really care about customers with more money then taste buying the Liberace cr*p than the simple steel base models (despite using pics of Chuck Yeager wearing his in the advertising for years).
Grrr.

I agree - I'm not into waiting. I understand that situation may not be the case at Rolex China, particularly if you spend over $50k.

 

[Bfd70]

@Seb Lucas,
What annoys me most about Rolex is that if I want some diamond encrusted gold Liberace looking thing, I can get it straight away, but if I want (and I do) a simple steel Submariner, no date-just, the bottom of the range, then it's not in stock and they want me to join a three year waiting list. It's an artificial lack of supply designed to maintain the brands 'exclusivity'. I guess they don't mind that this pushes resale values of base models above list price for new ones.
And this is where I find myself; d1cking around with specialist stores who scoop these up every year by ordering in advance, and then selling new watches second-hand with a mark up (you can probably tell, I'm angry about it, lol). The sheer aggravation of having to buy a 'luxury' product this way is off-putting, as is the obvious fact that Rolex don't care! They only really care about customers with more money then taste buying the Liberace cr*p than the simple steel base models (despite using pics of Chuck Yeager wearing his in the advertising for years).
Grrr.

Don’t you think many brands do this? I’d like to take the plunge into a RMC j-24 and can’t find one new in my size for anything. Clearly there is a market.
Anyhow, I consider my RMC problem very fortunate. I suspect that if i were to get one, like with Rolex, everything else would seem like a compromise.
Disclaimer. I’m not exclusively a Rolex fanboy. It is just the best watch at a price point i could stretch to. I don’t now, and never will, have Patek money.

 

[navetsea]

toys these days follows that preorder format to get affordable price, once in stock the price hike is crazy ... sick sick world we live in... lucky I'm not a collector at heart I only get what I desire most and not every single one of them.

 

[Monitor]

ooooh I LOVE Turkish coffee. That stuff is incredible. I used to think I hated coffee because the only coffee I had tried was Starbucks. Then I tried better coffee and realized that I just didn't like Starbucks.

Interestingly enough, many Americans who have tried Turkish coffee shared the same sentiment. I'd make it all the time when I was there. People couldn't get enough of it.

But Starbucks... I mean, taste is subjective so ignoring my dislike with it, what baffles me most is that doesn't taste like bad coffee - it just doesn't taste like coffee at all! I don't know what that taste is even supposed to be.

Which reminds me I gotta make some.

 

[Doctor Damage]

I have bought and been given high end items in the past and I have only sometimes found a link between high price and durability. My cheap items generally perform just as well. You just need to pick your stuff carefully and price may not be the important part.

This is true and probably the only post that needed to be made in this thread.