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Raising a teenager these days amongst children that have absolutely no rules is a very tough job.
Oh, now there is something to look forward.:eusa_doh:
Raising a teenager these days amongst children that have absolutely no rules is a very tough job.
Amen but the problem today, and I definitely know this first hand, is that your ability to raise your own children in a way that involves morals and values is constantly being contramanded by the population at large. There are poor examples of behavior everywhere. Some have no idea what they are doing as such ideas have not been introduced in generations and others are just plain lax.:eusa_doh:
Victorian morality is a distillation of the moral views of people living at the time of Queen Victoria's reign (1837–1901) and of the moral climate of the United Kingdom throughout the 19th century in general, which contrasted greatly with the morality of the previous Georgian period.
It was in many ways the excess of the upper class during the Regency Era that brought up many of the ideals of the Victorian era. Queen Victoria had seen how William IV excess had affected the court, and culture around them and made an effort to change that culture.
It isn't a popular view probably, but I think in many ways American society is going to be heading towards a more conservative (in the culture sense) direction soon. The check is long overdo. I'm not saying it's a good thing, but I think it's bound to happen in a few decades or sooner. In time that will be replaced by a more "open" culture, and in time will then become "conservative" again. This seems to be the general pattern for me anyways.
Let's be perfectly honest the excess of the sexual revolution have almost become a parody of themselves now. I see Lady Gaga as almost a parody of Madonna, and the poor woman doesn't even realize it! Every "shocking" act that has been done, has been done in one way or another for the last 43 years. My generation doesn't seem to understand that the 70's happened before they were born, and they aren't exactly shocking their parents they are imitating them.
Very tough. But not impossible.
No. Just harder with each succeeding generation.:eusa_doh:
I see Lady Gaga as almost a parody of Madonna, and the poor woman doesn't even realize it!
Conservative is one thing but Victorian is another.
I bet she does realize it. It seems very calculated to me.
I am saying that the American culture that lead to the excess of the Baby Boomers and those that followed is coming to an end, and I believe change is coming. I'm not saying we are going back to "Aww shucks Wally", but I wouldn't be surprised to see the return of the family friendly sitcoms. I also believe that reality tv will one day seem as anachronistic as the Dating Game does with us today, and American Idol will one day be fondly remembered like the old variety shows are today. I mean everyone misses the Dean Martin Show, right? Even those of us who never saw it live lol.
I'm not saying the world's most famous fashion houses are going to be coming out with their "Lancaster Line" in 2020, which all proper ladies will be buying up. I am saying that the American culture that lead to the excess of the Baby Boomers and those that followed is coming to an end, and I believe change is coming. I'm not saying we are going back to "Aww shucks Wally", but I wouldn't be surprised to see the return of the family friendly sitcoms. I also believe that reality TV will one day seem as anachronistic as the Dating Game does with us today, and American Idol will one day be fondly remembered like the old variety shows are today. I mean everyone misses the Dean Martin Show, right? Even those of us who never saw it live lol.
Would anyone had predicted the Victorian age in 1798? Would the Edwardian's have predicted the roaring twenties? Did people in 1946 see Woodstock coming? All cultures change, and I don't think we are going to be any different, our neo-woodstock culture is bond to end sometime. With the changing political players in foreign affairs, and the real culture shock that is the recession, combined with the weakening economic power of the average citizen, and I think change is coming, and your going to see a rise against the pop culture at large as well.
Nostalgia and a desire for simpler times rises when their is great uncertainty, and a growing dissatisfaction with the way things are. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think that we are heading towards that (if we aren't already in the early stages of it) now.
One thing I have noticed with Gen Y (those born from 1982 onwards- there hasn't been an end date set yet, but I imagine it will be in the mid-2000s) is that they tend to be much more conservative in their behavior than my generation- Gen X (those born from 1965-1981). This has been shown in a lot of the research on generational differences, but what I have observed has backed this up. Gen Y tends to be more conservative about debt and there are some signs that they are more family-orientated. They are much more likely to be service-orientated and active in their community (more likely to volunteer for the military and view service as desirable too).
So, I think there is a chance that you are right about the television. I don't think we'll see the same type of shows, and "wholesome" will have a new meaning. These young adults and 20-somethings are still products of their generation and time period, and certain things are more acceptable to them than previous generations. There will still be raunch on television.
We are also experiencing some population changes as well that will impact this. In Gen X we are seeing a decreasing divorce rate compared to the boomer generation (with a dramatic drop in the rate among college-educated women), and although it is not clear if this will continue for Gen Y or decrease further. I think that more "married" or "long term" couples will contribute to there being more family-orientated programming as well.
Jim and Feraud - yes, indeed.
Feraud, the situation you describe is pretty much how it is. There are parents who take an active role in straightening out their kids. And then you have parents who say things like (and this drives me up the wall), 'Yeah, he (or she) is the same way at home, and I don't know what to do about it!'
Yeah, well, if you don't know what to do about it, what's left? I can't say that out loud, and I just cringe inside.
And then there are those parents who defend their kids no matter what, despite proof, multiple anecdotals, witnesses, what have you. Well, no wonder the kid is out of control. Mom-n-dad back them no matter what they do and they know it.
One thing I have noticed with Gen Y (those born from 1982 onwards- there hasn't been an end date set yet, but I imagine it will be in the mid-2000s) is that they tend to be much more conservative in their behavior than my generation- Gen X (those born from 1965-1981). This has been shown in a lot of the research on generational differences, but what I have observed has backed this up. Gen Y tends to be more conservative about debt and there are some signs that they are more family-orientated. They are much more likely to be service-orientated and active in their community (more likely to volunteer for the military and view service as desirable too).
So, I think there is a chance that you are right about the television. I don't think we'll see the same type of shows, and "wholesome" will have a new meaning. These young adults and 20-somethings are still products of their generation and time period, and certain things are more acceptable to them than previous generations. There will still be raunch on television.
We are also experiencing some population changes as well that will impact this. In Gen X we are seeing a decreasing divorce rate compared to the boomer generation (with a dramatic drop in the rate among college-educated women), and although it is not clear if this will continue for Gen Y or decrease further. I think that more "married" or "long term" couples will contribute to there being more family-orientated programming as well.
One thing I have noticed with Gen Y (those born from 1982 onwards- there hasn't been an end date set yet, but I imagine it will be in the mid-2000s) is that they tend to be much more conservative in their behavior than my generation- Gen X (those born from 1965-1981). This has been shown in a lot of the research on generational differences, but what I have observed has backed this up. Gen Y tends to be more conservative about debt and there are some signs that they are more family-orientated. They are much more likely to be service-orientated and active in their community (more likely to volunteer for the military and view service as desirable too).
So, I think there is a chance that you are right about the television. I don't think we'll see the same type of shows, and "wholesome" will have a new meaning. These young adults and 20-somethings are still products of their generation and time period, and certain things are more acceptable to them than previous generations. There will still be raunch on television.
We are also experiencing some population changes as well that will impact this. In Gen X we are seeing a decreasing divorce rate compared to the boomer generation (with a dramatic drop in the rate among college-educated women), and although it is not clear if this will continue for Gen Y or decrease further. I think that more "married" or "long term" couples will contribute to there being more family-orientated programming as well.
Please, call us millennials, I think that Gen Y would be more applicable to the next generation, which ought to be kids now, the children of Gen X. Anyway, I think you are pretty dead on with your observation. A lot of my generation is kinda rebelling against the anti-establishment establishment and going back to the establishment that was rebelled against in the first place, but with a lot more social liberality in it, that is, we generally have a very live and let live attitude towards lifestyles and choices, even if a lot of us are much more conservative. Kinda odd, the more I think about it.
I'm not trying to be political in this, but it is the best example I could think of.
It isn't a popular view probably, but I think in many ways American society is going to be heading towards a more conservative (in the culture sense) direction soon. The check is long overdo. I'm not saying it's a good thing, but I think it's bound to happen in a few decades or sooner. In time that will be replaced by a more "open" culture, and in time will then become "conservative" again. This seems to be the general pattern for me anyways.