The Spanish Civil War

[Chas]

My dad knew a couple of guys from Vancouver who joined the Mackenzie–Papineau Battalion that fought in the same division as The Lincoln Brigade. One of them didn't come back from it. They got royally screwed over by the Canadian Gov't upon their return, and were harassed by the RCMP.

 

[dr greg]

you pay you pay

I read in some potboiler paperback years ago that the unknown revenge of the republicans was to bankrupt the winners by sending all their gold reserves to russia, and Spain's economy didn't really recover until probably the 70's, but here's another take on the story.
http://flag.blackened.net/revolt/spain/review_arms_gold.html

 

[Richard Warren]

Maguire,

you make a lot of interesting points, however, there are some facts I would like to point out, that you may not be aware of.

Post Franco, an attitude of "agree to disagree" was adopted that took a revisionist view on history. The idea was to make the transition from a TOTALITARIAN POLICE STATE to a DEMOCRACY easier to accept for Franco loyalists.

The fact of the matter is, there are disparate difference between the scale of atrocities committed by the two sides during the war.

For fair comparison between the factions I'd like to point out some statistical data:

From 1936-1939 55,000 people were executed by various Loyalist faction (primarily in 1936, and the majority of whom were active insurgents, members of previous dictatorships, or members of political parties that supported the Rebellion after the fact, I.E. Jose Antonio).

From 1936-1939 close to 200,000 non-combatants or surrendered soldiers were executed at the hands of the Insurgents. These figures do not include civilians who died from air raids. Mass political executions continued after the civil war ended in 1939, not ceasing until about 1945.

These number come from Antony Beevor's history of the conflict The Spanish Civil War.

They are figures confirmed by the Franco regime (so, it's safe to assume they try to make themselves look good and the Republicans bad!)

If you add those Insurgent (using your terms) numbers to the numbers Hitler killed, and the Loyalist numbers to the numbers Stalin killed, your side still comes out considerably ahead.

 

[Guttersnipe]

If you add those Insurgent (using your terms) numbers to the numbers Hitler killed, and the Loyalist numbers to the numbers Stalin killed, your side still comes out considerably ahead.

Ummm, I'm confused...What exactly do you mean by "my side?"

What do the atrocities committed by the Nazi and Soviet regimes have to do with the Spanish Civil War? Everything I said in the the post you quoted is a loose citation of the worlds foremost expert on the Spanish Civil War, who is not exactly an apologist for the Republic either...

And FYI political discussions are not permitted on the Fedora Lounge.

 

[rocketeer]

Ok to resurrect an old topic?
Well those now wishing to visit the Valle de los Caidos(Vally of the Fallen) near Madrid, the Grave of Dictator Francisco Franco has now been moved to his family's estate. Wikipedia quotes this as being Franco's wishes originally.
I don't know if the Facists will still congregate at the former monument of November 20th, but now you can visit with peace of mind you will not be viewing this mans last resting place. Though José Antonio Primo de Rivera will still be there.