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The Nazi Gold Train

Bolero

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I think the Russians under Stalin got to it and then destroyed all evidence of their being there.
So much of Eastern Europe WWII has been taken and hidden by the Russians we will never know or find out any of it.....Its just History and the way it is....
 
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I’ve also seen pictures from the ’30’s of Boy Scouts dressed as Indians with swastikas (and other Indian symbols) on their tepees and banners.

K.R.I.T. Motor Car Company logo, circa 1915

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Stearmen

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The 45th Infantry Division National Guard, made up of Oklahoma, Colorado, New Mexico and Arizona, wore a Swastika emblem between the wars. The red diamond represented the four states, the red and yellow represented the Spanish influence, and the Swastika was an Indian good luck symbol! Hitler ruined a perfectly good design!
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Bolero

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There is a somewhat credible rumor going around that the Nazi Gold Train Valuables were all shipped off to Nova Scotia's Oak Island and buried there....


and of course the best rumor of all... that Hitler and his girlfriends boated off to Argentina in late 1945 and opened a Coffee House.
 

Stearmen

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There is a somewhat credible rumor going around that the Nazi Gold Train Valuables were all shipped off to Nova Scotia's Oak Island and buried there....


and of course the best rumor of all... that Hitler and his girlfriends boated off to Argentina in late 1945 and opened a Coffee House.
 

Stearmen

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I should say, even though I think there is nothing there, I do get a kick out of the adventurers who will spend there money searching. It does add a little excitement to the world! Nothing wrong with dreaming, just don't get overly caught up in it!
 

Blackjack

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Let's face facts, the Germans, I feel, did have the best looking uniforms. But once you get past that, it's all about the context.
I don't collect German stuff. The only German things I have for m re-enacting displays are 'war trophy' types of things, like a Whermacht officer's hat and a panel cut off a "Dornier bomber" and painted with the German cross on the side (not the swastika). That's it. A guy I work with has several concentration camp uniforms, bought from the estate of a GI who'd kept them from a camp he liberated for some reason. He also has some items... made from parts of the poor souls who were sent to those camps (no, I won't elaborate, it gives me the chills just thinking about it). He actually wonders who I won't talk with him on the subject. He once said, "I don't get it, your GI collection is 100 times the size of my German one," to which I said, "Probably, but nobody would likely be physically repulsed by anything I have."

Im curious why everyone here seems so repulsed by anything to do with Nazi's yet no one has mentioned the Japanese. Their atrocities were every bit as disgusting as the Nazis yet all anyone focuses on is Germany. History is history and I for one am not in the least bit afraid of it or worried about looking at or owning a swastika, I find it ridiculous. Someone could walk down the middle of the street wearing Japanese WWII medals, a hat, jacket whatever and no one would say a word or even care ( not that 99.9% of Americans would even be able to identify them) but put a swastika on a hat and people would be holding up crosses and saying hail Mary's . This double standard irritates me more than the idiots that would wear either one of them. There have been many many mass murderers in the world but only Hitler holds the distinction of being the "monster". Stalin murdered probably as many if not more as Hitler yet he was one of our allies, hmmmmmm. History is full of death and suffering so embrace it, all of it so we learn from it's mistakes instead of hiding under a bed every time someone holds up an SS uniform.
 

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Giuseppe and Rosalia DiMaggio Joe DiMaggio's parents, were among the thousands of German, Japanese and Italian immigrants classified as "enemy aliens" by the government after Pearl Harbor was bombed by Japan. They carried photo ID booklets at all times, and were not allowed to travel outside a five-mile radius from their home without a permit. Giuseppe was barred from the San Francisco Bay, where he had fished for decades, and his boat was seized. Rosalia became an American citizen in 1944, followed by Giuseppe in 1945. Now the narrative today. Over and over again especially in the bay area about the poor Japanese and the mistreatment of them during the war. There's national tax payer funded memorials. Example, Manzanar off the I 395 in eastern California. How about the Italians or the Germans who were treated the same way. Where's the outrage about them. Oh they were white folks so they don't count. Where's the German groups and the Italian groups today expressing outrage over there treatment ? Humm. Rounding thouse people up was wrong in my opinion. But this obscene race bating that gets used as a political club to bash conservatives today is really sad.
 
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Stearmen

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Im curious why everyone here seems so repulsed by anything to do with Nazi's yet no one has mentioned the Japanese. Their atrocities were every bit as disgusting as the Nazis yet all anyone focuses on is Germany. History is history and I for one am not in the least bit afraid of it or worried about looking at or owning a swastika, I find it ridiculous. Someone could walk down the middle of the street wearing Japanese WWII medals, a hat, jacket whatever and no one would say a word or even care ( not that 99.9% of Americans would even be able to identify them) but put a swastika on a hat and people would be holding up crosses and saying hail Mary's . This double standard irritates me more than the idiots that would wear either one of them. There have been many many mass murderers in the world but only Hitler holds the distinction of being the "monster". Stalin murdered probably as many if not more as Hitler yet he was one of our allies, hmmmmmm. History is full of death and suffering so embrace it, all of it so we learn from it's mistakes instead of hiding under a bed every time someone holds up an SS uniform.
For the Japanese war crimes being ignored here in the USA, it was pure and simple bigotry! Out side of Hirohito and Tojo, most Americans could not name any of the other defendants, nor pronounce their names. Add to that, the Cold War, then the Korean War, where Japan was our only base for the Air Force after we were pushed off Korea. Not sure what you are talking about ignoring Russia. After the war, the two most despised men in America were, Joseph Stalin and Mao Tse-Tung, better dead then red!
 

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For the Japanese war crimes being ignored here in the USA, it was pure and simple bigotry! Out side of Hirohito and Tojo, most Americans could not name any of the other defendants, nor pronounce their names. Add to that, the Cold War, then the Korean War, where Japan was our only base for the Air Force after we were pushed off Korea. Not sure what you are talking about ignoring Russia. After the war, the two most despised men in America were, Joseph Stalin and Mao Tse-Tung, better dead then red!

What I meant was no one would care if you wore a hat with a Russian symbol on it. The Germans today are still paying the price for this, look at whats happening in Germany today. Angela Merkel has practically told the people of germany that they had better not bitch about what the influx of refugees is doing to that country because they it's the price they pay for the sins their grandfathers committed 80 years ago. The German people had better be compassionate and react in a totally non confrontational way no matter whats being done to them because "grandpa was bad". I just think it's about time to stop blaming and worrying that if we turn our backs for one second Hitler will rise up out of the grave and take over the world.
 

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Well behind the front lines!
It's no different from the 'forced apology mode' foisted upon the South for slavery (never mind slavery was legal everywhere in the US until not long before the Civil War).
We've given the Japanese a pass for reasons I don't understand, either. I sure wouldn't want any items from their horrible history too, for the experimentations and they way they treated POWs and such...
 

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Slavery was abolished in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts and in the Province of Maine in 1783, and all slaves held in those territories were immediately freed with no compensation to their "owners."

The outrages committed by the Japanese against China and Korea should be remembered on the same level as those committed in Europe by Germany. And in China and Korea, make no mistake, they are.
 
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Stearmen

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What I meant was no one would care if you wore a hat with a Russian symbol on it. The Germans today are still paying the price for this, look at whats happening in Germany today. Angela Merkel has practically told the people of germany that they had better not bitch about what the influx of refugees is doing to that country because they it's the price they pay for the sins their grandfathers committed 80 years ago. The German people had better be compassionate and react in a totally non confrontational way no matter whats being done to them because "grandpa was bad". I just think it's about time to stop blaming and worrying that if we turn our backs for one second Hitler will rise up out of the grave and take over the world.
I agree, as an American, I find it particularly repugnant to blame some one for their fathers crimes, let alone their fathers fathers crimes! Millions of people came to this nation to escape that kind of blame, for sins they had nothing to do with.
 

Cooper A-2

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One of my cousin's wife is of native American Indian origin.
Nobody blames any grand grand grand daughter and son in USA about what was done to the indians in the 18th and 19th century.
Peace to all!
 

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