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Martinis at 8 said:...or even say "randy"
Oh, all right. Just for you: "horny".
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Martinis at 8 said:...or even say "randy"
Miss Neecerie said:I am giggling that half of you think its related to appearance...half of you don't....and half of you are arguing for a more manly man...and half are arguing for more sensitivity..
no wonder why people write books....you are all confused.
Fletch said:Of course. But it happens a lot less often to guys in tweeds, or even leather and tweeds.
Stereotypes have a social power that being yourself - if you happen not to fit stereotypes - can't begin to approach.
Marc Chevalier said:Oh, all right. Just for you: "horny".
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Prien said:RE Vintage68: You're Welcome. No, I have not read the book or even scanned through it.
RE Carlisle Blues: You're Welcome ...and Thanks for the supportive compliment.
I had also noticed that some others brought up good insightful points - for example someone mentioned transgenderism and the XY chromosomes.
There are those women who are XY, but have Androgen Insenstivity Syndrome and therefore are biologically male, but appear as female.
Also - with transgenderism, this, from what I have read, is caused by the body not receiving a signal from the brain while developing in utero to switch to that designated sex (while we are developing in utero we have both male and female organs).
And too...what of those who are born Intersexed?
I also enjoyed reading Reetpleat's replies of embracing both 'feminine' and 'masculine' "aspects" or "energies" of ourselves. He mentioned about those guys feeling that, in essence, heaven forbid they dress decently.
Where I live in rural Pennsylvania - people have wondered if I'm gay because I dress decently. It is as though dressing decently and good grooming make you a 'meterosexual' and gay for some reason.
[huh]
Martinis at 8 said:I like to stay at the La Posada Hotel. It's a very historic hotel. Originally a convent, and then Laredo's first high school. It's the best hotel in Laredo IMO, and I think it qualifies as "Vintage" at least in a Spanish sort of way.
There is a very nice steakhouse with a nice oak bar as part of the hotel complex. It is called The Tack Room. I happen to be in the bar where a quasi happy hour gets started after my arrival. I keep to myself as I have my drink and look at the menu to order something to eat. The place seems to be a lawyer hangout. Men in suits, etc. I am in jeans, a long-sleeved black t-shirt with a leather fashion-type motorcycle jacket on.
The lawyers are talking rather loudly about how good it is to be "back in court" because they have to "work so hard in the office" (I didn't know office work could be so hard). The ladies at the happy hour seem intrigued by the lawyer talk, well maybe. They are also discussing a trial (which I find unusual being that we are in a public place). However, the trial discussion also seems to interest the ladies, maybe. These guys are poser-braggarts, lawyers or not.
One of these posers moves next to me at the bar to order a drink from the bartender.
Lawyer: Excuse me (in a smug sort of way).
M8: No problem (he then orders his drink).
Lawyer: You from here?
M8: No, just passing through Laredo. Probably be stuck here for a day due to the bad weather.
Lawyer: Oh you are hotel guest?
M8: Yep.
Lawyer: Why would bad weather force you to stay here? You a pilot?
M8: No I am on a motorcycle, I'm riding back from Mexico, headed back to Houston.
Lawyer: Oh, I see (and then he moves on).
Sandra: Excuse me, I overheard your were on a motorcycle in Mexico. Hi, my name is Sandra.
M8: Hi Sandra my name is Mike.
Sandra: So tell me about riding in Mexico.
M8: Okay, well...
Sandra: Hey Maria come over here! That girl-talk from those lawyers is boring as Hell.
(Yeppers, the Lost Art of Manliness lol )
Fletch said:Hate to pop your bubble here, M8, but the ladies may simply have been taking you for yet another media stereotype.
To illustrate: can you imagine them coming over to you from a table of jacket-and-jeans d'bags if you were all by yourself in tweeds and had just stepped out of a '47 MG TC?
reetpleat said:These days I hang out with a group of guys dedicateto being more successful with women. ALong with learning how to approach and talk better, and be more interesting and fun, we focus on looking good. The idea is that women notice and appreciate it. But there is also something masculine about aguy who attends to details, cares about his appearance, and shines his shoes. Perhaps it is a nice balance between masculine and feminine.
In aroom full of guys, the well dressed well groomed guy wil stand out and hae an edge. But maybe it does not work so well in the country.
Oddly enough, necklaces and rings and bracelets et grat response too. WOmen love to touch, comment on and play with them. May seem rather unmasculine to many, but think Johnny Depp. Sexiest man in the world, so I last heard. Johnny Depp sems to be the perfect blend of very masculine and feminine energies, and the ladies eat it up.
Fletch said:M8: I don't know. Sandra gravitated to you because she heard the words motorcycle and Mexico and, presumably, looked over and saw leather and jeans.
That's a positive image and pulls more "man points" than the trial-lawyer-in-boxy-suit stereotype, but one reason it does is that it too can be seen as a stereotype, however you intend it.
If I may argue the devil's advocate view for a bit and be a gender essentialist: Feminine women crave security. Masculine stereotypes promise security. They think they know what to make of you, so it makes them feel secure.
Miss Neecerie said:Quick....Write a Book!
LizzieMaine said:Maybe it's just me, but the image that brings to mind is that of a freckle-faced ten year old. In short pants.
celtic said:damn biker rockstars gettin all the wimmin.
reetpleat said:Johnny Depp sems to be the perfect blend of very masculine and feminine energies, and the ladies eat it up.
The braggart thing - You'll notice in both stories I was approached. I did not initiate the contact. You know from riding, especially if your ride solo for long distances, that people just want to know what you are about. They do the approaching.reetpleat said:I have traveled in Mexico by motorcycle, and have ridden for years. Yeah, you bet I wil not miss a chance to drop it into conversation with women. Gotta do it subtly so you don't come off as a braggart or liar. But yes, nothing says manly like riding a motorcycle, especially vintage or Ducati, and adventuring around the world.
This is the point. In the Laredo case, I'm sure the girls hear the "let me impress you with my lawyer stuff" all the time. Not everyone shares in the worship or self-worship of those that like to portray themselves as a Master of the Universe type.reetpleat said:Absolutely. Any guy that is doing his own thing, and is different from the guys they are bored with at the moment, will be intriguing and interesting. Especially if he is doing his own thing.