Sometimes schadenfreude is hilarious

[Carlisle Blues]

Well, you know, they don't call her the Grey Lady for nothing.
Personally, for all its faults, I'd hate to think of New York without the Times. You'll still see more useful information, and depth of coverage, than in any other paper in the country. And its alleged liberal bias, while there, is greatly exaggerated. (Oops. Did I just stray over the line? Sorry.)
I do think that sometimes the Times does reflect the natural parochiality of New York vis a vis the rest of the country. But there's no place in the world that doesn't suffer from its own little version of local bias. Can't escape from it.

Amen to that. Try being a New Yorker in New England

 

[Hemingway Jones]

Amen to that. Try being a New Yorker in New England

Oh come on now, as long as you're not wearing pin-stripes where a "B" is supposed to be, you'll be just fine.

 

[Carlisle Blues]

Oh come on now, as long as you're not wearing pin-stripes where a "B" is supposed to be, you'll be just fine.

lol lol lol lol lol

For the life of me I just don't get[huh] [huh]

 

[Carlisle Blues]

Now I get :eusa_doh:

 

[MrBern]

You mean the paper for the New York that should have survived.

1975, the year of Drop Dead, was Year Zero for NY as it is today. The soul of the place changed. It will always be Taxi Driver, no matter how spruced and commercial it gets.

I disagree. Ive lived in NY all my life. I've worked in the TimesSquare area for over 20 years. If you think that the current decade compares to the outright hostility & danger of the late 20th century, then youre living in fear of fear.

 

[MrBern]

While I am sorry for those working there, the plight the NY Times is in strikes me as poetic justice, due to their arrogance towards the rest of the country. Their superiority complex seems to be suffering a decompression.

Its not just the NYT, its all newpapers & publishing in general.
Consider all the magazines that have folded:
http://gawker.com/5168415/in-memoriam

The advertising world is in a shambles.
Iits not funny when a city like Philadelphia has had its newspapers go bankrupt. Are we really looking forward to being a nation that looks to unsubstantiated blogs for information?

 

[Story]

What arrogance was expressed towards the rest of the country?

Illustrated thusly,

 

[Marc Chevalier]

Are we really looking forward to being a nation that looks to unsubstantiated blogs for information?

I'm not looking forward to that coming tower of babble.

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[MrBern]

Conde Nast

While I am sorry for those working there, the plight the NY Times is in strikes me as poetic justice, due to their arrogance towards the rest of the country. Their superiority complex seems to be suffering a decompression.

What arrogance was expressed towards the rest of the country?

Illustrated thusly,

Uh, thats the NewYorker Magazine, not The New York Times newspaper....different publisher.

 

[Story]

Uh, thats the NewYorker Magazine, not The New York Times newspaper....different publisher.

No kidding. That's why I said 'illustrated thusly', the arrogant NYT perspective of the rest of the country. Clear now?

 

[LizzieMaine]

Are we really looking forward to being a nation that looks to unsubstantiated blogs for information?

That's my greatest fear, quite frankly. On the Internet not only does having no qualifications as a journalist whatsoever not matter, it's actually considered a point in your favor if you don't. Idiocracy Marches On.

 

[Story]

On the Internet not only does having no qualifications as a journalist whatsoever not matter, it's actually considered a point in your favor if you don't. Idiocracy Marches On.

And what "qualifies" one to be a journalist? Idiocracy can reign anywhere.

I didn't see anything in the grad courses that bestowed Fourth Estate superpowers on the students, when any layman with a good command of his native language and an ability to rationally express himself can produce a better product.

 

[MrBern]

No kidding. That's why I said 'illustrated thusly', the arrogant NYT perspective of the rest of the country. Clear now?

Why was that a NewYokerMag cover story about the NYT?

 

[MrBern]

And what "qualifies" one to be a journalist? Idiocracy can reign anywhere.

I didn't see anything in the grad courses that bestowed Fourth Estate superpowers on the students, when any layman with a good command of his native language and an ability to rationally express himself can produce a better product.

Just because someone can type, doesnt make them a writer.
Just because someone has some facts, doesnt make them an expert.
Also there is information & there is misinformation.

 

[Story]

Why was that a NewYokerMag cover story about the NYT?

Don't look at what publication banner is at the top of the illustration, look at what the illustration shows.

 

[Story]

Just because someone can type, doesnt make them a writer.
Just because someone has some facts, doesnt make them an expert.
Also there is information & there is misinformation.

You're absolutely right, that's the criticism many have with the 'so-called'* journalists the New York Times and similar organs of the media.


* My bon mot to your Lenin illustration.

** "so-called" is a standard sneering adjective of Soviet agit-prop.

 

[LizzieMaine]

And what "qualifies" one to be a journalist? Idiocracy can reign anywhere.

The ability to accurately sift fact from rumor, for one. The ability to do thorough original research without "aggregating" someone else's work, for another. Both points sadly lacking in most of what I've seen in the blogosphere.

 

[Marc Chevalier]

You're absolutely right, that's the criticism many have with the 'so-called'* journalists the New York Times and similar organs of the media.

Would you include The Washington Times and the Fox News Channel in that mix?


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[cookie]

What arrogance was expressed towards the rest of the country?

How long is a piece of string?

 

[cookie]

The ability to accurately sift fact from rumor, for one. The ability to do thorough original research without "aggregating" someone else's work, for another. Both points sadly lacking in most of what I've seen in the blogosphere.

Remember when we watched American shows years ago with (now) journalists involved and they introduced themselves thus "Hi, Ma'am I'm a reporter".

The idea was you reported the FACTS not your opinion or confected personal outrage...just the facts Ma'am....