Smith and Wesson Model 22 Revolver .45 ACP

[RondoHatton]

Any handgun not on MagiCaliList

If a new handgun is not on California's "safety list" it cannot be sold in the state.
Just another hoop to jump through with no real positive benefit.

Make that ANY handgun not on the gun hating pol's pay-to-play list (no expensive "test"? No sale). Tried to "jump through hoops" recently to no avail - just you try to purchase a Savage model 1910 - it's not been made in almost one hundred years, but it is not on the "list" (on list: Savage model 1907 pistol, caliber .32 and .380., Savage model 1915 pistol, caliber .32 and .380., Savage model 1917 pistol, caliber .32 and .380.), so any dealer within a hundred miles (if they will transfer at all, including exhorbitant fee) will not touch it - from another dealer upstate!
And Gov. TotalRecall has signed a new goody-goody bill we can all feel safer about - since semi-auto pistols are baad baad, they must all now be smarty-pants magic bullet guns which stamp the shucked shell somehow with your contact info, since after all, guns are witness to crime ( a pol's quote) they can now have a clear conscience by testifying! Unless of course using an altered or stolen pistol, or revolver, rifle or shotgun... Oops, those are next! Nurse! There goes my singing dectective exzcema!
Years ago (before "Indy") I got to shoot the daylights out of a S&W model 1917 .45 revolver w/half moon clips - great pointer, great action, classic good looks. If Smith has produced a similar modern model, it has a transfer bar ignition or the like I asume?

 

[Story]

Meanwhile, back at the topic...

Good place to read up on folks' experiences with the new Model 22s -
http://smith-wessonforum.com/eve?cdra=Y&s=884106832

 

[dr greg]

draw pardner

As a licensed shooter for long arms I don't have any pistols, and don't really need 'em on a farm, so I'm no "hoplophobe" as you call it, but it seems to me that this discussion skirts close to irrelevancy in regard to the majority of discussions on this forum. A case could be made about the merits of "repro" culture vs the vintage article, but only on technical grounds not really of interest to those who don't actually carry the things. It also occurs to me that if this discussion was taking place in an actual physical space, especially where alcohol was available, the "inanimate objects" that seem to excite y'all over there so much, might well be drawn by this stage!

 

[carebear]

To sum up.

If you want a new revolver with a bright finish that matches a classic, vintage, issue revolver (aside from the internal lock) of the 1st half of the 20th Century, these may be a good choice and are available in some states where the originals may not be.

You can still get the genuine article for less fairly easily, but it is more likely to have a little "character" on the finish.

Both genuine and replica holsters, belts and other associated items are also available.

Finally, the Indy guys over at Club Obi-Wan seem to be pleased with the examples they've seen.

 

[Jovan]

A question: This is .45 ACP, right? How are the cartridges held in the cylinder? Most magnum cartridges I've seen have a rim at the end that extends beyond the case, if that makes sense, so they are kept in the cylinder without sliding forward. Most semi-auto cartridges I've seen like the .45 ACP simply have a groove at the end so the gun can feed. I don't know the correct terms... rim, rebated rim, etc. are all Chinese to me. If anyone could explain all this to me, I'd appreciate it.

EDIT: 45th reply for a .45 gun thread... lol?

 

[carebear]

Here's a good link.

http://www.hipowersandhandguns.com/Corbon 45 AR DPX Ammo Test.htm

The .45 ACP can be fired in these revolvers and headspace (rest) on the case rim. You can see how the edge of the case mouth is wider than the bullet, it rests on that "ledge".

What it won't do in that situation is extract. For that, they have to have full or half "moon clips" snapped onto the case in the rebate below the rim. That lets the extractor star of the revolver lift the moon clip (with the expended shells still clipped in) out of the cylinder.

There was a round developed to allow extraction without clips called the .45 Auto-Rim which, as you might guess, was a rimmed cartridge otherwise identical to the ACP. It didn't really catch on though, especially when 1911 production ramped up. Remember, for the most part these .45 revolvers were produced to supplement the 1911 as there weren't enough available for the requirements of trench warfare.

 

[Jovan]

I'm a little confused. -_- Do you have a picture of what you're describing?

 

[eightbore]

Carebear is right about the necessity of moon clips and this is the issue that has really kept ACP revolvers from catching on at all. Now, not all revolvers have this extraction issue. One can buy a single action Colt, Ruger or US firearms that will shoot and, of course, extract without moon clips. This is possible because the mechanism is not an "extractor star at the back of the cylinder but an ejector rod that is pushed through the cylinder, into the case and punches them out one by one.

How's this for vintage appeal?

http://usfirearms.com/cat/lendlease_prewar.asp

1700 smackers kinda stings but darn she's a pretty piece!

Best,

eightbore

 

[Jovan]

Ah, I see. I think I have seen those clips before in pictures on world.guns.ru.

 

[RondoHatton]

Put the A & F back in BATF!

It also occurs to me that if this discussion was taking place in an actual physical space, especially where alcohol was available, the "inanimate objects" that seem to excite y'all over there so much, might well be drawn by this stage!

These inanimate objects and alchol have been pretty much available together here for two hundred years and we do OK so far despite some european false notions of disarmed superiority & objections to freedom. Thirty years ago Rondo worked in a gun store which hosted private events where fine arms were sold and fine brandy poured - and no arguments.
My understanding was that the S&W 1917 could headspace a round in the cylinder, and be ejected with a pencil, but the Colt 1917 would not contain the round without half moon clips or using auto rim rounds. Wish I had one of each.

 

[Rooster]

Wish I had one of each.

There's a bunch of them out there, all it takes is a little dough.....

 

[eightbore]

Thirty years ago Rondo worked in a gun store which hosted private events where fine arms were sold and fine brandy poured - and no arguments.

Just a couple years ago there was a small shop around downtown Flagstaff Arizona that sold guns, liquor, cigs and porn. To my knowledge it is still legal in Utah for CCW holders to drink in a bar while carrying. I have no problem with that either.

eightbore

 

[fatwoul]

...us hoplophiles can carry on to our hearts' content, and the hoplophobic know not to enter that particular door and don't have to worry about seeing "our nasty guns" if they heed the signs...

This is almost absolutely off-topic, but I was interested in the use of "hoplo-" in this context because, as a fishkeeper, I know about hoplo catfish. I always wondered what the name meant, and now I've realised it probably refers to the fact that they are armoured catfish. Cool. What makes them stand out from any other catfish (since most are armoured) is anybody's guess, but still, it was fun to learn this.

Thanks, guys. Sorry to interrupt.

 

[carebear]

From the Greek "hoplon" which (I understood) means "weapon".

An irrational fear of weapons, as weapons, being inanimate objects, cannot rationally be feared.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoplophobe

And I'd like (somewhat hypocritically) to remind everyone that personal attacks are not tolerated, nor do we need snarky comments and generalizations from either side of the issue.

Neither is the Lounge an appropriate place for discussions of 2nd Amendment or other political issues regarding firearms.

 

[scotrace]

Housekeeping note: This thread has been heavily pruned to remove off-topic content. I don't want to see any of it return (or this, my own post, commented on).

Thanks.

 

[Jovan]

Thanks, scotrace.

 

[carebear]

Thanks, scotrace.

Jovan,

I don't think this

(or this, my own post, commented on).

means what you think it means.



Just kidding. I am likewise thankful.

 

[Jovan]

ON TOPIC PLEASE.

 

[carebear]

ON TOPIC PLEASE.

Party pooper!

Lincsong,

If you're still with us. I forgot to ask what you were thinking of (primarily) doing with either handgun choice?

That might help determine either/or (though the choice in those situations should always be "both").

 

[Lincsong]

Let's keep the talk to the positives of owning these pistols. What other good .45's are out there????