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[Judgmentalist]

Ladies and Gentlemen.... I've been looking forward to this one for a bit...

Brent Black Diplomat

My wife literally brought this shirt home today while I was taking pictures - got it from a thrift store for like $2 - every time I spend any money she makes me look bad lol

 

[rstewart8706]

My Hornskov Solace Panama arrived yesterday in time for the rest of the summer.

Pretty pleased with it. It's a nice upgrade and a fine addition to the other Panamas/straws in the collection.

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Great looking hat

 

[ShadowXY]

Full time Resistol Big cowboy 20X Conley is here. Sz7 well at least this one is perfect!!!! Wiped the leather sweatband & conditioned.
Hat is like new & not cheap but was 30% of the new retail cost.

I'm happy, wow & looks pretty good for a big 4 1/2 in brim hat. Least it will keep the sun away. Today I had a old wide brim ladies straw on & got slight sun burn on my face in 95 degrees watering the garden. I put on some Aloe Vera & my skin just soaked up the red. Phew, that's the Italian blood in me.

 

[ShadowXY]

Ladies and Gentlemen.... I've been looking forward to this one for a bit...

Brent Black Diplomat
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My wife literally brought this shirt home today while I was taking pictures - got it from a thrift store for like $2 - every time I spend any money she makes me look bad lol
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Your wife is a smart woman & saves money so you can buy a nice hat. $2 is really quite a steal. Goodwill charges $6 for shirts unless they are there a month & then they are half price. Shirts are plentiful but the chances of finding a Panama Bespoke handmade hat in your size at the thrift is like winning the lottery.

 

[Blare]

Every so often you unexpectedly find one of your Grail hats. I just received this Hückel Superior in today. Behind the hatband was the ad below, attached, folded to resize the hat. Per @mayserwegener , as I had hoped, it's a pre-war JHS. This would be the mass-produced hat most frequently worn by the Jewish community throughout pre-war Europe (I think most may have been locally made by hatmakers in it near the communities). Before Borsalino gained its popularity, post-war, in the States. This was THE Jewish black hat for non-rabbinical members of the community (the rabbis wore taller crowned "uphats" or homburgs).

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Fabulous find, Jeff. What an excellent piece for you.

 

[Blare]

My Hornskov Solace Panama arrived yesterday in time for the rest of the summer.

Pretty pleased with it. It's a nice upgrade and a fine addition to the other Panamas/straws in the collection.

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It’s a beauty Steve. And looks great on you.

 

[jeffgarf]

Fabulous find, Jeff. What an excellent piece for you.

Thanks. It was totally unexpected based on the three pictures the seller posted. I had thought maybe post-war Czech Tonak/Hückel.

 

[blewnote]

I have such a backlog to share but I just sent some pics of these to a hat buddy and figured I'd post em. Both came with cattlemen creases and I'm leaving em that way for now.

Up first a Knox long hair from the 30s (at least that's what I think based on the inventory tag and styling). 2 3/8" cavanagh edge brim.

 

[Judgmentalist]

I have such a backlog to share but I just sent some pics of these to a hat buddy and figured I'd post em. Both came with cattlemen creases and I'm leaving em that way for now.

Up first a Knox long hair from the 30s (at least that's what I think based on the inventory tag and styling). 2 3/8" cavanagh edge brim.

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Dude you are killing me with that Knox - awesome

 

[blewnote]

Here's the Borsalino. This one came with a kind of interesting crease, it was a cattlemen type crease but it was wider in the front than in the back. I thought maybe it just got knocked out of shape, but now I'm wondering if that's a variation of the cattlemen crease that I just don't know about... although it seems strange it would taper towards the back and not the front, which is why I thought maybe it wasn't supposed to be that way.

 

[M Hatman]

My Hornskov Solace Panama arrived yesterday in time for the rest of the summer.

Pretty pleased with it. It's a nice upgrade and a fine addition to the other Panamas/straws in the collection.

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Wow! Really, really nice!

 

[M Hatman]

Here's the Borsalino. This one came with a kind of interesting crease, it was a cattlemen type crease but it was wider in the front than in the back. I thought maybe it just got knocked out of shape, but now I'm wondering if that's a variation of the cattlemen crease that I just don't know about... although it seems strange it would taper towards the back and not the front, which is why I thought maybe it wasn't supposed to be that way.

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Long before the "cattleman" crease was the "Alpine" (ans often referred as a "Banker") and it was a common Fedora crease.

 

[jeffgarf]

Long before the "cattleman" crease was the "Alpine" (ans often referred as a "Banker") and it was a common Fedora crease.

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For a Borsalino, that's the more likely crease, I'd think.

 

[blewnote]

Long before the "cattleman" crease was the "Alpine" (ans often referred as a "Banker") and it was a common Fedora crease.

For a Borsalino, that's the more likely crease, I'd think.

Dig. I'm pretty sure I'd seen discussion of the alpine crease before (maybe even from you @M Hatman ) but I guess I associated it more with tyrolean hats.

I guess I need to do some more obsessive research about creases (although that's one area where I have found it harder to dig up good info here). But off the top of your head, what would distinguish an alpine/banker crease (and is a banker crease the same as an alpine?) from a cattlemen crease, or is it just the use case of the hat i.e. a dress fedora would be an alpine/banker and a western would be a cattlemen?

I do feel like I have seen quite a few dress hats creased like that in movies from the 30s and had wondered about it. Like the predominant style of the 30s was a center dent with pinches or side dents and in the 40s it became more of a teardrop/c crown style with a defined pinch in front. Am I correct in this perception?

 

[jeffgarf]

My 2 cents, I think alpine would be the broad category of crease with pinches down both sides (not just front shaped for fedoras). Cattleman's are western whereas banker's were really more dress and even more commonly in homburgs.

Also, for other creases see - https://bernardhats.com/hat-knowledge/crown-crease/