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Wow. Just...wow. But only a 7-1/8. *sigh* Ah well, some lucky soul is getting a nice hat!
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Daniele Tanto
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I think this will be, for now, the last batch of the small sizes. A few more will appear in the next days
Barbisio presumed size 55 cm or 6 7/8 US. No paper label present or other indication
The color of the felt, very beautiful, is a quite dark burgundy, very bold
The hat is unlined and very basic, I have one of the same type in blue, size 61 cm. very interesting to wear on humid days
This has a smaller aspect ratio
The raw brims are 5.5 cm, the crown open at its maximum height is 13 cm and the ribbon is 1.5 cm. high in the same color felt.
A hat produced in the Seventies at the end of the glorious history of Barbisio di Sagliano Micca - Biella.
An example of Italian hats production towards sunset
Barbisio presumed size 55 cm or 6 7/8 US. No paper label present or other indication
The hat is unlined and very basic, I have one of the same type in blue, size 61 cm. very interesting to wear on humid days
This has a smaller aspect ratio
A hat produced in the Seventies at the end of the glorious history of Barbisio di Sagliano Micca - Biella.
An example of Italian hats production towards sunset
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Daniele Tanto
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His older brother has already proved his qualities: bold in color and perfect in his livery.
Barbisio size 55 cm or 6 7/8 US.
These are the measurements: the raw brims are at 6.5 centimeters and the crown at its lowest point is at 11 centimeters.
It is a minor clone of a magnificent hat.
I hope there is someone who can wear it, despite the size now "out of fashion".
Daniele Tanto
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Also for this Borsalino I had a blow to the heart when it emerged from the box coming from Mantova and also for it the disappointment was great
It has the same age as the brother shown yesterday and the same great features, but alas the same size.
Borsalino Qualità Extra Superiore size 3 1/2 or 54 centimeters a 6 3/4 in US.
The felt color is "Pomice" and the hat type is "Debrosan"
It is more elgant then the "Misto Volga" and excellently made, also this is about ninety years old because it has the same components as some Borsalinos sold in Eastern Europe and in Germany before the Second World War
The oil skin protection has broken during the long time it was in a small hats shop near Mantova
The measurements are as follows: the brim with a minimal edged ribbon is 6.5cm, the ribbon is 3cm high, the highest point of the open crown is 13 centimeters
As I publish these very small hats I hope there is someone who can wear them, perhaps with some small adjustments, but leaving them in a box would be a very serious sin.
It has the same age as the brother shown yesterday and the same great features, but alas the same size.
Borsalino Qualità Extra Superiore size 3 1/2 or 54 centimeters a 6 3/4 in US.
The felt color is "Pomice" and the hat type is "Debrosan"
It is more elgant then the "Misto Volga" and excellently made, also this is about ninety years old because it has the same components as some Borsalinos sold in Eastern Europe and in Germany before the Second World War
The oil skin protection has broken during the long time it was in a small hats shop near Mantova
The measurements are as follows: the brim with a minimal edged ribbon is 6.5cm, the ribbon is 3cm high, the highest point of the open crown is 13 centimeters
As I publish these very small hats I hope there is someone who can wear them, perhaps with some small adjustments, but leaving them in a box would be a very serious sin.
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If it’s a US made hat it looks to be 1950s. If it was made in somewhere else under license from Stetson then it’s still probably from the 1950s but there is less certainty on my part. Nice hat in any case. It’s a size 7 1/8 (don’t ask me why Stetson only used the fraction on the size tags).
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Akubra had the license to make hats in Australia for many years.
Your photos don’t show a whole lot, but the proportions, style, and the smallish size (7 1/8) mean it probably won’t sell for much. If it fits why not keep it and wear it?
Mr Oldschool
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I'm in a local stage show where I get to feature two of my vintage hats. First is my Stetson Sovereign, which has been my main lid for years, but at the end of the show, from seemingly nowhere, I produce this beauty of a Young's opera topper which I just picked up. Overall it's in very nice condition, but the edge binding almost immediately started falling off. I called Vintage Sillhouettes and chatted with David for a bit. Suffice it to say, I will have to repair the binding myself if it's going to happen prior to show opening (which I expected to be the case). David gave good advice on how to make it less obvious from "10 feet away" which I have already followed. I'm just a little concerned about further damage occurring just from handling it. Anyway, here it is...
TheOldFashioned
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What an amazing treasure trove of hats, Daniele! The Punti 3-1/2s would still be a touch too large for my boy but I guess he could always grow into them.
TheOldFashioned
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Pretty sure this one has become my oldest felt hat, a non-western Stetson No. 1 Quality:
Specs:
Beautiful light grey heathered felt with a medium to long hair finish. There are several moth nibbles throughout but due to the finish they're indistinguishable unless looking up close. The double frayed bow is what immediately cued me to this likely being an old piece. The flipped orientation of the No. 1 crest also seems to be less common. I know @alanfgag and @jlee562 have hats with a crest oriented this way.
Because of these features I broke one of my rules in regards to buying because no size was shown. The only dimension listed by the seller was the inner circumference, measuring "about 23 inches." I personally don't trust this dimension but I went ahead and BIN'd anyway. Very relieved when I took it out of the box and it fit my head, later finding the 7-3/8 tag behind the sweat.
The sweat is still quite supple, though obviously some stitches are missing. I was quite careful locating the LOT number in front, first utilizing a mirror to verify it was there and legible. At 2534 it's one of the relatively lower numbers, and lower than my Stetson derby (6614).
As an added bonus I've tried doing some research on the perforated name CJ Byrns, and the most common hits tie to a lumber baron from Michigan's Upper Peninsula. Amongst other things he served as the General Manager at Birds Eye Veneer in Escanaba in the 1920s, which is the city where I grew up. I realize this is a bit speculative on my part but it would just about be the proverbial feather in the cap if this hat truly did once belong to him. I've contacted the local historical society for a couple records they have on file associated with Byrns. I'd also like to check census records to see if any others with the same name are documented. The pieces so far, though, seem to fit. His position warranted him spending time in Chicago for business, and a description of his preserved home mentions the bathroom being remodeled after a recent stay at a hotel in Chicago. So buying a hat at Marshall Field & Co of Chicago seems plausible.
Even if the Byrns connection is too much of a leap, this hat is still and oldie and a goodie. Still undecided on how to shape but I'll be looking through the pre-40s thread and old fashion plates and advertisements for inspiration.
Specs:
5-3/8" Crown
2-3/4" Brim
3/8" Overwelt
2" Ribbon
116g Weight
LOT 2534
2-3/4" Brim
3/8" Overwelt
2" Ribbon
116g Weight
LOT 2534
Beautiful light grey heathered felt with a medium to long hair finish. There are several moth nibbles throughout but due to the finish they're indistinguishable unless looking up close. The double frayed bow is what immediately cued me to this likely being an old piece. The flipped orientation of the No. 1 crest also seems to be less common. I know @alanfgag and @jlee562 have hats with a crest oriented this way.
Because of these features I broke one of my rules in regards to buying because no size was shown. The only dimension listed by the seller was the inner circumference, measuring "about 23 inches." I personally don't trust this dimension but I went ahead and BIN'd anyway. Very relieved when I took it out of the box and it fit my head, later finding the 7-3/8 tag behind the sweat.
The sweat is still quite supple, though obviously some stitches are missing. I was quite careful locating the LOT number in front, first utilizing a mirror to verify it was there and legible. At 2534 it's one of the relatively lower numbers, and lower than my Stetson derby (6614).
As an added bonus I've tried doing some research on the perforated name CJ Byrns, and the most common hits tie to a lumber baron from Michigan's Upper Peninsula. Amongst other things he served as the General Manager at Birds Eye Veneer in Escanaba in the 1920s, which is the city where I grew up. I realize this is a bit speculative on my part but it would just about be the proverbial feather in the cap if this hat truly did once belong to him. I've contacted the local historical society for a couple records they have on file associated with Byrns. I'd also like to check census records to see if any others with the same name are documented. The pieces so far, though, seem to fit. His position warranted him spending time in Chicago for business, and a description of his preserved home mentions the bathroom being remodeled after a recent stay at a hotel in Chicago. So buying a hat at Marshall Field & Co of Chicago seems plausible.
Even if the Byrns connection is too much of a leap, this hat is still and oldie and a goodie. Still undecided on how to shape but I'll be looking through the pre-40s thread and old fashion plates and advertisements for inspiration.
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RossRYoung
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So nice, love the heather felt. I’m Detroit area native myself, but love da Yooper reference! Thanks for sharing and great snag.
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What a fabulous addition Jonathan. Congratulations
AbbaDatDeHat
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Love this!!
I vote center crease, subtle front dents....elegant.
Quite the look.
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Fantastic hat. Many nice markers of age to it… the LOTXXXX number places it before 1920. Thanks for the great photos.
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Mr Oldschool
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Super cool! Start looking through hat photos from the teens! You're one step closer to being able to time travel!
Daniele Tanto
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A few years ago I bought two batches of shortly finished Italian felts, almost formed and a couple ready for use. One was made up of Borsalino "experiments" and another seems to be of Barbisio manufacture. The latter were all formed, but without finishes or, if any, had been removed.
So I started my plan to get new hats from old felts. This is the first of the series.
The Borsalino experimental felt was very thin and with some imperfections in its weight, some points were thicker others less. It has been balanced and "clipped" in order to give a uniform result
All this was possible with the fundamental help and patience of Fleur, Dutch hatter, titular of Penumbra Hat.
She has a very good knowledge of felts, their strengths and weaknesses and here she has obtained a very light, extremely malleable hat from a felt that had some problems
As you can see it has become an excellent hat, light weight: 98 grams!
The measurements are: raw brim 6 cm., 3.8 cm high ribbon and minimum height of the crown is 10 cm.
Together we chose the color of the ribbon and its shape to match the cream color of the felt, finished with a short hair
I chose this felt for its color and its surface which lent itself to being finished in the way you see.
It has now become a Borsalino - Penumbra Hats creation to my delight
So I started my plan to get new hats from old felts. This is the first of the series.
All this was possible with the fundamental help and patience of Fleur, Dutch hatter, titular of Penumbra Hat.
She has a very good knowledge of felts, their strengths and weaknesses and here she has obtained a very light, extremely malleable hat from a felt that had some problems
Together we chose the color of the ribbon and its shape to match the cream color of the felt, finished with a short hair
I chose this felt for its color and its surface which lent itself to being finished in the way you see.
It has now become a Borsalino - Penumbra Hats creation to my delight
Pellie
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Beautiful hat!
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What a great collaboration Daniele. She did a wonderful job.
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