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Wow Stefan! Both fantastic, but you know that my heart belongs to longer naps 
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Thanks, Panos. You never know...Wow Stefan! Both fantastic, but you know that my heart belongs to longer naps
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Hey folks!
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Wow. Two great finds Stefan
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Spectacular hats, Stefan, just wonderful!
Certainly not western style. Been looking for one of these for some time but the French sellers seem to think these are their equivalent of the Whippet
Willoughby Real Nutria homburg. Size 57 with the brim at 6cm and the crown at 11cm at the center dent. Came in a box dated 1937, which seems about right to me. The box mentions Ragon (Rat Gondin -nutria) but also mentions Madelios, which is another retailer with hats under their own brand. The box came wrapped in packing tape
Fantastic hand to the felt and shapes without any steam. Sold to me as black, but I'm very glad it's in fact a mid to dark grey. No label inside the hat. Some light mothing on the front, but more noticeable in the pics than in real life.
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This fine old Stetson Playboy was directed to my attention by a good lounge friend and arrived today. I have two other pre-WWII Playboys that I shared some years back on the Side By Side comparison thread. This Air-Lite seems a little earlier and carries a lower LOTXXXX stamp as well... perhaps mid to late 1930s. I will take better pictures of it in the daylight and share on the dedicated Playboy thread.
Thank you, gentlemen. Well pleased to have found these.
Wouldn't have expected anything other than a great hat and I'm not disappointed! Fantastic find, Alan.
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Absolutely beautiful Alan Fabulous find
Daniele Tanto
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I finally found a hat of this shape that somewhere carried the name given by the Italian youths of the 1950s and early 1960s: Mambo!
I'm dancing when I took the picture
One of them, my gym buddy, brought me a photo of him a few years ago wearing a hat very similar to this one.
Panizza "Mambo" size 58cm or 7 1/4 in the US with a back bow. Inside measurements are:20x16.5 centimeters
The hat is in good condition with some barely visible moth bites and a felt that is reborn after a steam bath with a brush.
The color is a gray called by Panizza "Opale" with a black belt with a small bow on the back.
The felt is of medium consistency and very solid in its shape. It was sold in Italy on the bank of river Po.
The hat unlined has a branded insert at the bottom of the crown
These are the measures: brims at 5.5 cm, the crown is at 9 cm. the lowest point and the ribbon is 5cm.
An excellent example of Italian hat from the 1950s
I'm dancing when I took the picture One of them, my gym buddy, brought me a photo of him a few years ago wearing a hat very similar to this one.
Panizza "Mambo" size 58cm or 7 1/4 in the US with a back bow. Inside measurements are:20x16.5 centimeters
The hat is in good condition with some barely visible moth bites and a felt that is reborn after a steam bath with a brush.
The color is a gray called by Panizza "Opale" with a black belt with a small bow on the back.
The hat unlined has a branded insert at the bottom of the crown
These are the measures: brims at 5.5 cm, the crown is at 9 cm. the lowest point and the ribbon is 5cm.
An excellent example of Italian hat from the 1950s
Daniele Tanto
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In the batch of hats that arrived on Saturday there are gems, but also some hats that have had a troubled life.
Here is the first example.
A bowler hat that has lost the sweatband and a few pieces of ribbon on the brims, but has retained a mark, alas unreadable.
I suspect it was made in France because compared to her older sister Mossant it has many similarities.
This is very light and the felt has kept well. Its approximate size, considering the internal measurements of 19.5x16 centimeters, seems to be a 57 or a 7 1/8 in the US.
The hat has no lining, just a remnant of the brand and a very well preserved shape with no dents or tears.
It could be a project for a restoration or an heirloom to keep. I lean towards the first solution
A bowler hat that has lost the sweatband and a few pieces of ribbon on the brims, but has retained a mark, alas unreadable.
I suspect it was made in France because compared to her older sister Mossant it has many similarities.
This is very light and the felt has kept well. Its approximate size, considering the internal measurements of 19.5x16 centimeters, seems to be a 57 or a 7 1/8 in the US.
It could be a project for a restoration or an heirloom to keep. I lean towards the first solution
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Alan that is a fine looking hat. What color is it? On my screen it appears to be camel.
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Thanks... the color is a warm brown. Not an easy color for the iPhone's color balance but this photo shows it pretty accurately.
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Alan, thank you so much for posting that comparison picture. It’s definitely more brown than what I was seeing in your first post.
Stay safe,
Steven
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The Henry Heath, which I ordered earlier, has not yet arrived,
but I have the brown G. A. Dunn meanwhile received by mail:
The velour felt is relatively short, but really great and super malleable
(though not as outstanding as pre-war JHS). The processing of the interior
(sweat and lining) as well as the ribbon work is as high quality as the "English Velour".
The hat was sold as 40's - the lettering on lining AND sweat is "G. A. Dunn & Co."
which would classify the dating as pre-war by the old commentary.
In my opinion, however, that doesn't match the shape - I think early/mid 50s fits better.
Comments on this!?
1st is seller's foto: best colour - Sorry, my pictures are very dark!
open crown
interiour
label
but I have the brown G. A. Dunn meanwhile received by mail:
The velour felt is relatively short, but really great and super malleable
(though not as outstanding as pre-war JHS). The processing of the interior
(sweat and lining) as well as the ribbon work is as high quality as the "English Velour".
The hat was sold as 40's - the lettering on lining AND sweat is "G. A. Dunn & Co."
which would classify the dating as pre-war by the old commentary.
In my opinion, however, that doesn't match the shape - I think early/mid 50s fits better.
Comments on this!?
1st is seller's foto: best colour - Sorry, my pictures are very dark!
open crown
interiour
label
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Daniele Tanto
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Buying lots of used hats without specific indications from the seller is always a lottery, you need to have a trained eye and a dose of luck is also good.
Bowler hat by G.B. Borsalino fu Lazzaro Qualità Finissima size 51/2 or 58 cm or 7 1/4 in the US.
The internal measurements are the following: 20x16.5 cm so a full 58.
This G.B. Borsalino bowler hat is very light and as in the tradition of the hats made by "rebels" Borsalino was finished in a masterly way.
The conditions in which it arrived in Verona in 2021 are splendid, nothing out of place, everything in order starting from the felt, intact and with a perfect body as well as the ribbons.
The interior is great, the lining is intact and there is some little stain on the sweatband.
I spent some time trying to decipher the writing on the paper label that qualifies the type, but I couldn't, I'm sorry. If some have more good eyes, I will be grateful
I had a good eye and a pinch of luck for a hat that's probably a hundred years old.
It is not my size, so lovers of the bowlers make your plans
Bowler hat by G.B. Borsalino fu Lazzaro Qualità Finissima size 51/2 or 58 cm or 7 1/4 in the US.
This G.B. Borsalino bowler hat is very light and as in the tradition of the hats made by "rebels" Borsalino was finished in a masterly way.
The conditions in which it arrived in Verona in 2021 are splendid, nothing out of place, everything in order starting from the felt, intact and with a perfect body as well as the ribbons.
The interior is great, the lining is intact and there is some little stain on the sweatband.
I spent some time trying to decipher the writing on the paper label that qualifies the type, but I couldn't, I'm sorry. If some have more good eyes, I will be grateful
I had a good eye and a pinch of luck for a hat that's probably a hundred years old.
It is not my size, so lovers of the bowlers make your plans
Daniele Tanto
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After a gem it is the turn of a hat that has gone through the life of its owner, remaining marked by the years.
Albertini - Barbisio size 57 or 5 in the US.
The hat has a Barbisio paper label and an Albertini lining, so it was assembled in the period of passage of the Barbsio stock in the Panizza hat factory that put this hat on the market.
The measures are those of a hat from the eighties: the raw brim almost touches five centimeters, they are 4.8 cm., the crown is consistent at 11 cm. at the lowest point and the ribbon is 4cm.
The color of the felt is written on the label, but it is impossible to see it, I think it is "Nocciola"
The hat has some stains on the lining and the felt needs to be cleaned.
I really like the combination of colors, but I have a soft spot in my heart for the barbisio color combination
Needless to say, like the hats put on display yesterday, this one and the bowler hat by G.B borsalino are on sale.
Albertini - Barbisio size 57 or 5 in the US.
The hat has a Barbisio paper label and an Albertini lining, so it was assembled in the period of passage of the Barbsio stock in the Panizza hat factory that put this hat on the market.
The measures are those of a hat from the eighties: the raw brim almost touches five centimeters, they are 4.8 cm., the crown is consistent at 11 cm. at the lowest point and the ribbon is 4cm.
The hat has some stains on the lining and the felt needs to be cleaned.
I really like the combination of colors, but I have a soft spot in my heart for the barbisio color combination
Needless to say, like the hats put on display yesterday, this one and the bowler hat by G.B borsalino are on sale.
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FabulousThe Henry Heath, which I ordered earlier, has not yet arrived,
but I have the brown G. A. Dunn meanwhile received by mail:
The velour felt is relatively short, but really great and super malleable
(though not as outstanding as pre-war JHS). The processing of the interior
(sweat and lining) as well as the ribbon work is as high quality as the "English Velour".
The hat was sold as 40's - the lettering on lining AND sweat is "G. A. Dunn & Co."
which would classify the dating as pre-war by the old commentary.
In my opinion, however, that doesn't match the shape - I think early/mid 50s fits better.
Comments on this!?
1st is seller's foto: best colour - Sorry, my pictures are very dark!
open crown
interiour
label
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This Melton velour showed up a while back, but I was away so we just met today. Needs a cleaning and some steam love. Not sure of the age, but based on examples in the Melton thread it appears older (or a special order) as the label is hand-written.
Excuse the celluloid debris -- there was quite a bit behind the sweat. This pic is pretty accurate for the color indoors. Just a couple of moth nips under the brim and a ring on top of the brim where it moved around in a box for years (I'm guessing). Hope to brush that out a bit.
Half the size tag fell off when I touched it.
Post 1934 based on the union label. Not much out there, but the company has been around since at least 1934 as I did find a reference in a New York court case.
Just a tad small at 7-3/8 so it will live on that old hat stretcher for a while (the wooden thing above ... not me).
I think we're going to be happy together.
Excuse the celluloid debris -- there was quite a bit behind the sweat. This pic is pretty accurate for the color indoors. Just a couple of moth nips under the brim and a ring on top of the brim where it moved around in a box for years (I'm guessing). Hope to brush that out a bit.
Half the size tag fell off when I touched it.
Post 1934 based on the union label. Not much out there, but the company has been around since at least 1934 as I did find a reference in a New York court case.
Just a tad small at 7-3/8 so it will live on that old hat stretcher for a while (the wooden thing above ... not me).
I think we're going to be happy together.
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The hat box ain't bad either.
