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moontheloon

I'll Lock Up
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8,592
Location
NJ
this is a modern Stetson New York LE excellent quality
2 5/8 brim
5 1/2 crown
Under welt
the color is called Phantom Grey but it is more of a taupe to my eye ... somewhere between grey and some sort of tannish color

The felt is very nice
The crease you see is dry and most likely temporary ... but I like it pretty well creased like this ...for the moment at least .
Nice change of pace.

The hat is softer than I expected and is constructed surprisingly well .
I'm sure it will eventually end up with a diamond crease but for now it looks like this

apologies for the poorly lit shots but it's pitch black outside

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Messages
11,385
Location
Alabama
this is a modern Stetson New York LE excellent quality
2 5/8 brim
5 1/2 crown
Under welt
the color is called Phantom Grey but it is more of a taupe to my eye ... somewhere between grey and some sort of tannish color

The felt is very nice
The crease you see is dry and most likely temporary ... but I like it pretty well creased like this ...for the moment at least .
Nice change of pace.

The hat is softer than I expected and is constructed surprisingly well .
I'm sure it will eventually end up with a diamond crease but for now it looks like this

apologies for the poorly lit shots but it's pitch black outside

ad74ebe1fd18bd61e18832d49c0fb537.jpg

9ebd2406a6290e8e98ed1ec137e0b06c.jpg

7d55c1efaa2ce992b14d4ec299a477a0.jpg

496a2f9626cfad9a3605565073a49c4f.jpg
2065bd5e32e509c879bf00b7483e74cc.jpg

91a54019e12eacabeeaa5e14ebeaf662.jpg

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I like that crease, moon. Good looking hat..
 
Messages
19,434
Location
Funkytown, USA
this is a modern Stetson New York LE excellent quality
2 5/8 brim
5 1/2 crown
Under welt
the color is called Phantom Grey but it is more of a taupe to my eye ... somewhere between grey and some sort of tannish color

The felt is very nice
The crease you see is dry and most likely temporary ... but I like it pretty well creased like this ...for the moment at least .
Nice change of pace.

The hat is softer than I expected and is constructed surprisingly well .
I'm sure it will eventually end up with a diamond crease but for now it looks like this

apologies for the poorly lit shots but it's pitch black outside

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I like the crease as well. How does the felt compare to your excellent Strat?


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moontheloon

I'll Lock Up
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8,592
Location
NJ
I like the crease as well. How does the felt compare to your excellent Strat?


Sent directly from my mind to yours.
very different finish
the strat has almost a velvety quality about it and is slightly stiffer ... this hat is much more like a vintage dress weight where the nap is more prominent if ya know what I mean

nice hat ... I feel it will grow on me ... definitely not an out of the box love at first sight thing
 
Messages
12,384
Location
Albany Oregon
I've been investigating one of these myself. It does look quite high quality for a modern Stetson. It will stay on my want list, but for the same premium I might lean more toward either a 40s/50s Vintage Stetson (Strat, Stetsonian etc.). Would I be able to do that? or am I just dreaming.
 

moontheloon

I'll Lock Up
Messages
8,592
Location
NJ
I've been investigating one of these myself. It does look quite high quality for a modern Stetson. It will stay on my want list, but for the same premium I might lean more toward either a 40s/50s Vintage Stetson (Strat, Stetsonian etc.). Would I be able to do that? or am I just dreaming.
what size are you ?

if you have the opportunity to go vintage then definitely go that way

I overpaid for this hat without a doubt ... not the first time I've done it and probably not the last

no regrets
 

ScottF

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2,755
Dobbs 50 Cav edge awarded to New York Yankee player Bob Muncrief in 1951

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Lightning has struck twice. The above hat would have been my dream hat, except it was a large 7 3/8 and I'm halfway between 7 1/4 and 7 3/8...so I sold it about a year ago. A couple of weeks ago I spotted the fourth one of these that I have ever seen evidence of - the first two belonged to Johnny "Big Cat" Mize and was beat to heck, and the second was also a little rough and belonged to I forget who.

This one popped up in a recent auction and I fought it out and eventually won it, spending about $150 more than planned, and having only a slight idea as to size. It turned out to be mint condition and had been mothballed with a minimal crease, presumably from when co-owner Del Webb had the team and associates pose for his publicity photos - many of the players, few of whom were anything close to cowboys, sported a slight crease. Johnny Mize was one of the exceptions and had a nice well-worn teardrop, if memory serves. The new hat turned out to be a large 7 1/4 with the tag folded behind the sweat. As a result of obtaining this hat, I also learned a little more about the history of team owner Del Webb's 'Yankee hat publicity stunt'. The owner of my first hat, Bob Muncrief, only played one year with the Yankees (1951) and appeared in 2 games, pitching 3 innings. The owner of this one saw even less action.

The original owner of my newest Dobbs 50 was Al Werner, a member of the New York Yankees broadcasting team. This would seemingly once and for all debunk the theory of the auction houses that sold the first two of these, that the players were given the choice of a hat or a ring for their World Series victory. Unfortunately, the LOA I received with this hat has an even dumber spin on the same idea: "In 1951, we're told, the monotony of rings had lost its glitter for Yankee announcer, Al Werner. He cared to be recognized for his contribution, but requested a token of practical purpose. To accommodate, Dobbs Fifth Avenue, that famed New York haberdashery, commissioned the making of this ultra-suede fedora." Great theory, but it doesn't explain why Mr. Werner never actually wore the hat.

To repeat the actual facts, from '1951 When the Giants Played the Game': "The Yanks would be preparing to defend their crown in Phoenix, Arizona, while Leo Durocher's Giants took over the St. Petersburg Florida site. The switch was prompted by Yankees co-owner Del Webb, who resided in Phoenix and had wanted to bring his team to the Southwestern city for some time....Webb had purchased $50 cowboy hats for each player to wear around Phoenix. New York baseball writer Dan Daniel wrote of Yogi Berra: 'Hopalong Berra looks especially funny, as his hat happens to be too small for him.' Berra also complained that it was difficult to find a good selection of comic books in Phoenix."

The Yankees played most of their 1951 Spring Training games in Phoenix Municipal stadium. It was Mickey Mantle's rookie year (so he would been given one of these hats as would have Joe DiMaggio, who was in his final season) and he made quite an impression. I attended a couple of Phoenix Firebird games in this stadium back in the 1980's - wish I would have known then that Mantle had played his first Yankee games there, but I obliviously enjoyed myself anyway.

Here is my second of these hats - thank you Al Werner. If a third ever shows up, I'm sure one of you will be enlightened enough to save me from building a collection of them (please).

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Rogera

My Mail is Forwarded Here
Messages
3,365
Location
West Texas
this is a modern Stetson New York LE excellent quality
2 5/8 brim
5 1/2 crown
Under welt
the color is called Phantom Grey but it is more of a taupe to my eye ... somewhere between grey and some sort of tannish color

The felt is very nice
The crease you see is dry and most likely temporary ... but I like it pretty well creased like this ...for the moment at least .
Nice change of pace.

The hat is softer than I expected and is constructed surprisingly well .
I'm sure it will eventually end up with a diamond crease but for now it looks like this

apologies for the poorly lit shots but it's pitch black outside

ad74ebe1fd18bd61e18832d49c0fb537.jpg

9ebd2406a6290e8e98ed1ec137e0b06c.jpg

7d55c1efaa2ce992b14d4ec299a477a0.jpg

496a2f9626cfad9a3605565073a49c4f.jpg
2065bd5e32e509c879bf00b7483e74cc.jpg

91a54019e12eacabeeaa5e14ebeaf662.jpg

73b916f5a16eda44e23ffd186055a5da.jpg



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Man I like that crease
 

rclark

Call Me a Cab
Messages
2,275
Location
Central Texas
Lightning has struck twice. The above hat would have been my dream hat, except it was a large 7 3/8 and I'm halfway between 7 1/4 and 7 3/8...so I sold it about a year ago. A couple of weeks ago I spotted the fourth one of these that I have ever seen evidence of - the first two belonged to Johnny "Big Cat" Mize and was beat to heck, and the second was also a little rough and belonged to I forget who.

This one popped up in a recent auction and I fought it out and eventually won it, spending about $150 more than planned, and having only a slight idea as to size. It turned out to be mint condition and had been mothballed with a minimal crease, presumably from when co-owner Del Webb had the team and associates pose for his publicity photos - many of the players, few of whom were anything close to cowboys, sported a slight crease. Johnny Mize was one of the exceptions and had a nice well-worn teardrop, if memory serves. The new hat turned out to be a large 7 1/4 with the tag folded behind the sweat. As a result of obtaining this hat, I also learned a little more about the history of team owner Del Webb's 'Yankee hat publicity stunt'. The owner of my first hat, Bob Muncrief, only played one year with the Yankees (1951) and appeared in 2 games, pitching 3 innings. The owner of this one saw even less action.

The original owner of my newest Dobbs 50 was Al Werner, a member of the New York Yankees broadcasting team. This would seemingly once and for all debunk the theory of the auction houses that sold the first two of these, that the players were given the choice of a hat or a ring for their World Series victory. Unfortunately, the LOA I received with this hat has an even dumber spin on the same idea: "In 1951, we're told, the monotony of rings had lost its glitter for Yankee announcer, Al Werner. He cared to be recognized for his contribution, but requested a token of practical purpose. To accommodate, Dobbs Fifth Avenue, that famed New York haberdashery, commissioned the making of this ultra-suede fedora." Great theory, but it doesn't explain why Mr. Werner never actually wore the hat.

To repeat the actual facts, from '1951 When the Giants Played the Game': "The Yanks would be preparing to defend their crown in Phoenix, Arizona, while Leo Durocher's Giants took over the St. Petersburg Florida site. The switch was prompted by Yankees co-owner Del Webb, who resided in Phoenix and had wanted to bring his team to the Southwestern city for some time....Webb had purchased $50 cowboy hats for each player to wear around Phoenix. New York baseball writer Dan Daniel wrote of Yogi Berra: 'Hopalong Berra looks especially funny, as his hat happens to be too small for him.' Berra also complained that it was difficult to find a good selection of comic books in Phoenix."

The Yankees played most of their 1951 Spring Training games in Phoenix Municipal stadium. It was Mickey Mantle's rookie year (so he would been given one of these hats as would have Joe DiMaggio, who was in his final season) and he made quite an impression. I attended a couple of Phoenix Firebird games in this stadium back in the 1980's - wish I would have known then that Mantle had played his first Yankee games there, but I obliviously enjoyed myself anyway.

Here is my second of these hats - thank you Al Werner. If a third ever shows up, I'm sure one of you will be enlightened enough to save me from building a collection of them (please).

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OMG how did I not see this one! A mint Dobbs Fifty with a baseball connection?!? Wow!
 

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