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Feraud

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Recall that your doctor is nothing more than someone who got slightly higher marks in science than you did.
Those who earn a degree in medicine have completed a coursework a hell of a lot tougher than scoring "slightly" higher marks in science than the next guy. Human failings aside, doctors engage in an educational and career path most of us could barely keep up with.
 
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The thing with three or four hours between dinner and going to bed is just a thing from general-medicine/internist-medicine. :D

My life does not afford me anywhere near that luxury. But since I do go to bed relatively shortly after eating dinner, it encourages me to not overeat or I feel uncomfortable and sleep even worse than I normally do.
 
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@Fading Fast

Surely, some may have a good sleep and don't need to think about and further, I'm one of these people, which don't dream, normally and wake up, the same position as fell asleep.

But as far as I know, medicine says, that, if you eat directly before go to sleep, the digestion generally "substract too much energy" from your sleep and so, this typical restless sleep happens and you will be not regained or even "pissed", the next day. ;)
 
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Recall that your doctor is nothing more than someone who got slightly higher marks in science than you did.

I used to have a drinking buddy who was an eye surgeon. He said that people would be surprised how easy surgery is, that anyone with some common sense and a reasonably steady hand could do it. The hard part about being a surgeon was having the personality to convince people to let you cut them open.
 

MisterCairo

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Those who earn a degree in medicine have completed a coursework a hell of a lot tougher than scoring "slightly" higher marks in science than the next guy. Human failings aside, doctors engage in an educational and career path most of us could barely keep up with.

I stand by my point. They are human beings who did well in high school, which gets them into university. They have gatekeeping just like my law school did.

Know what you call the graduate at med school at the bottom of the class with the 60% average required?

Doctor.
 

LizzieMaine

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The problem is the ones who are absolute wizards at classwork and labwork but who deal with human beings like they're textbook problems to be solved. Better these people should become technicians, not physicians.

More troubling to me is the class privilege too many doctors seem to be oblivious about. Telling a working-class patient that they "need to get more rest" or "take some time off" when that person is juggling three different jobs just to survive is the height of privilege-blindness.
 

Feraud

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I stand by my point. They are human beings who did well in high school, which gets them into university. They have gatekeeping just like my law school did.

Know what you call the graduate at med school at the bottom of the class with the 60% average required?

Doctor.
Doing "well" in high school may get you into university but it absolutely does NOT get you into medical school. You have to bust your rear end in classes that resemble nothing like the general science class we took in high school. Either that or mom and dad shell out enough $$ to buy a student's way in. Maybe it's the latter group you're referring to?
The bottom 60% jab seems pointless. There will always be a bottom 60% in any group.

Regardless, I hate to see people have their efforts demeaned.
 
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The problem is the ones who are absolute wizards at classwork and labwork but who deal with human beings like they're textbook problems to be solved. Better these people should become technicians, not physicians.

More troubling to me is the class privilege too many doctors seem to be oblivious about. Telling a working-class patient that they "need to get more rest" or "take some time off" when that person is juggling three different jobs just to survive is the height of privilege-blindness.

Still semi-gods in white... ;)
 

MisterCairo

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A genius, university-educated medical super being prescribed 10mg of morphine for my palliative mother today.

Every four hours.

The registered nurse practising peon pointed out that would probably kill her.

So it's been reduced to 2.5 mg.

Human beings.

With slightly higher marks in science.

That.

Is.

All.
 

sheeplady

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Medical schools actively try to discourage people who they think will make poor doctors from practicing on live people. The vast majority of doctors, including those who teach others, do care about other people.

I went to university with some people who went on to have prestigious careers in medicine. There's one or two people I wouldn't let touch me or my family with a ten foot pole. But I also went to school with some people who went on to have prestigious careers in teaching whom I wouldn't let teach my kids, either.

Doctors don't hold the monopoly on idiocy.
 

Benny Holiday

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Throughout the ages, people have struggled to find meaning in death. Many ancient philosophies held that there had to be some form of 'afterlife', otherwise human sentience and understanding didn't make sense to them. The samurai, amongst other warrior classes over the centuries, sought to die a 'good death' with 'honour'. Another saying I've heard touted over the years is that 'death is a part of life', or it's a 'natural part of life'. If that's true, why is it anathema to us? Why do we fear it, hate it, rail against it? Doesn't life have more meaning than just to be born, struggle, and then vanish into eternity?

I can't see any freedom to be gained by just accepting we all 'come and go'. There has to be more to life than that.
 

LizzieMaine

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Medical schools actively try to discourage people who they think will make poor doctors from practicing on live people. The vast majority of doctors, including those who teach others, do care about other people.

I went to university with some people who went on to have prestigious careers in medicine. There's one or two people I wouldn't let touch me or my family with a ten foot pole. But I also went to school with some people who went on to have prestigious careers in teaching whom I wouldn't let teach my kids, either.

Doctors don't hold the monopoly on idiocy.

To say nothing of the lawyers whose main purpose in life seems to be finding ways for their clients to skirt the law.
 
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Throughout the ages, people have struggled to find meaning in death. Many ancient philosophies held that there had to be some form of 'afterlife', otherwise human sentience and understanding didn't make sense to them. The samurai, amongst other warrior classes over the centuries, sought to die a 'good death' with 'honour'. Another saying I've heard touted over the years is that 'death is a part of life', or it's a 'natural part of life'. If that's true, why is it anathema to us? Why do we fear it, hate it, rail against it?
It's fear of the unknown because nobody has come back from death to tell the rest of us what happens.

Yes, there are reports of people who have died and were resuscitated who subsequently described their experiences, but doctors are usually quick to explain their "experiences" were nothing more than neurological hallucinations caused by oxygen deprivation or excessive carbon dioxide levels in the blood. Also, in the last year or so scientific studies have shown some level of mental awareness can continue for minutes after the brain has completely shut down. So stories of "afterlife" experiences are usually explained one way or another and quickly dismissed.

Doesn't life have more meaning than just to be born, struggle, and then vanish into eternity?
Maybe. Maybe not. You'll have to die to find out. :D
 

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