Panama weight.

[riccardo]

Hi,
does anyone know how much, a good Panama Hat, should weight?
I think it, the weight, change with the finest weaves.Certanly it changes with the style, the brims...
If anyone answer me, please, let me know if the weight is with or without liner and sweatband.
If the weight is in gr, ounces or other.
Thanks in advance.

Riccardo

 

[Panamabob]

Riccardo,

I just weighed 10 hats.

OUNCES:
unfinished and certainly not the most fine hats
1.8
1.3
1.4
1.8
1.5
1.6
1.2

Finished (leather/ribbon)

3.0 oz
2.8 oz
3.5 oz, VERY LONG BRIM

 

[riccardo]

Many thanks.

Hi Bob,
many thanks.
My Panama hat's weight is 2,96 oz (84 grams) complete with liner sweatband and hat band.
It has a 3 inch brim.
Yours informations are always priceless.

Thanks again.
Riccardo.

 

[Panamabob]

None of these hats has over 400 wpsi and many are in the 200-250 range.

Sharpetoys has one of the finest Montecristis I've ever seen. Maybe he will chime in.

 

[SHARPETOYS]

My Fino Fino

Just for your info. My fino fino with all the trimmings that I got from Panamabob is a even 2 oz.

 

[photobyalan]

3.1 oz. for mine, with fairly thin leather sweat and inexpensive ribbon. ~360 WPSI with 2 3/4" brim and 4" crown.

 

[riccardo]

Exactly...

Hi,
i spent a few minutes to do the cuenta and measureof mi hat.
Here are:
3,1 oz with liner and sweatband.
4 1/8 inch crown front
3 1/8 inch crown on the rear
2 7/8 inch brims
my cuenta results on 528 wpi

Whats do you think about?

Thanks.
Riccardo.

 

[Panamabob]

Sounds good.

How many tejidos per inch "parallel" with the brim?

 

[riccardo]

Bob,
what are the tejidos?
I haven't a digital camera, my pc inside camera isn't too good.
I'll post a pics of the hat, but i need a digital camera.

 

[Panamabob]

The actual weave. How many actual pieces of the paja can you count in that one inch line about half way up the crown?

 

[riccardo]

Bob,
i don't understand where have i to count the paja. On the crown or on the brim. I've counted 22x24 weaves along an inch (i read to do so)
24 on the vertical, 22 on the orrizontal. I count them on the vertical piece of the crown.

 

[Panamabob]

On the crown.

horizontal count x vertical count

 

[riccardo]

Ok Bob,
it's what i 've done.
Horizzontal 22, vertical 24.
I've done this,and the cuenta ,for me, is 528. Is it correct?
I think yes it is.

Riccardo.

 

[Panamabob]

The vertical doesn't sound correct. If you have 22 horizontal then generally I'd expect 16-20 on the vertical.

For example, the hat I have here is 24X20 in most places. The vertical, by nature of the weave, should be close, but never over the horizontal. My experiences only.

 

[jimmyfed]

One of my motecristi panamas is 1.9 wit all the trimmings. I also need a digital camara Ricardo so that I can post photos here

 

[riccardo]

Ok Bob,
i'll go to do the measurements better. I've read that the best way is to digitally with a camera a pics of the straw with a tape...it's true. To count the weaves is tedious and difficult,for me, i do it with a lens in one hand and the tape in the other.
I'll post it later.

Here is sunday, 9,41 AM.
Good sunday to everyone!

See you Bob, thanks.

Riccardo.

 

[riccardo]

Hi Bob,
i've counted another time the weaves, its looks like the first time (23 or 24) i'm very tired, my eyes, how we say here in Sicily do "pupi pupi"...
I've read here http://brentblack.com/hatgrades/panamahatgrades2.html
that horizontal and vertical count could be different.
Whats about?

Best regards.

Riccardo.

 

[Panamabob]

Maybe your hat is an exception.

I won't say anymore until I see a photo so I don't mis-speak.

Horizontal and vertical counts have been different 100% of the time on the hats I've had...numbering near 8,000.

 

[jimmyfed]

Ricardo, I have several montecristi finos and wanted to know the easiest way to count. the ebay (incabox) guy I bought most of my montecristis from told me to use this tool in conbanation with a long sewing needle. http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?catalog_name=CTLG&product_id=63-1309 Use the opposite end of the needle to hold your count as you count the "X's" vertically and then horizontaly. use this technique, it makes your wpsi counting a lot easier. just make sure not to use the sharp end of the needle to hold your count, use the other end. If you can't find this tool in Italy I'm sure one of us here at the FL can help you out. Radio Shack is everywhere in the USA :cheers1:

 

[Panamabob]

I suppose you could count the x's and figure it closely. We count the actual single strands. COunting an x might give you a higher count.