Necktie Knots

[Baron Kurtz]

Example pic?

Thin-ness of knot i'd say is down to lack 'o lining in tie, and minimising complexity of the knot. Length of knot would result from what part of the tie you have folded across to form the front part of the knot. I'd suggest starting with the thin end of the tie further towards the waist to maximise the width of tie that folds across the front. But then ye'll get the bib-like fat end, and a thin end extending below the fat end.

Just get the ties custom made, i guess ...

bk

 

[scotrace]

Still looking

Of course a photo isn't coming easily to hand. But sort of like

 

[BellyTank]

4 in the hand is worth 2 in the bush...

http://www.tie-a-tie.net/fourinhand.html

B
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[Solid Citizen]

1940's Belly Warmers

Mid 1940's swing ties were massed produced & yes they were cut much shorter + have thinner liners than 2006 ties. A full Windsor knot on one of these babies
just doesn't work!

SC

 

[herringbonekid]

But then ye'll get the bib-like fat end, and a thin end extending below the fat end.

if you're wearing a waistcoat or sleeveless pull-over this wouldn't matter.

 

[Baron Kurtz]

Mid 1940's swing ties were massed produced & yes they were cut much shorter + have thinner liners than 2006 ties. A full Windsor knot on one of these babies
just doesn't work!

SC

On a 40s belly warmer?

Works fine for me.

When you say doesn't work ... do you mean gives too big a knot (the main failing of modern ties)? Or too small a knot (is this possible?)? Or the tie ends up too short?

bk

 

[jake_fink]

My main problem with vintage ties, twenties and thirties especially, is that I can't get one around my neck and tied without it looking more like a bow tie or a choker. The combination of short tie and the chunky, stiff material most of my 20s/30s ties are made of makes tying them a royal pain (which is a pain-royale in Holland, I think). I have better luck with ties from the later thrities, forties and fifties. They are longer and a little more supple. This may just be a problem with my tie selection.

 

[Baron Kurtz]

I can see the problem for people with larger circumference necks. Those 20s/30s ties are short! With a 14.5 neck, they work just fine for me.

Again, as HBK said, you'd have been wearing a waistcoat back then, so it wouldn't be that much of a problem ...

bk

 

[Tony in Tarzana]

You had plenty of money in 1922.
You let other women make a fool of you.
Why don't you do right,
like some other men do?

Get out of here,
get me some money too.

You're sittin down and wonderin what it's all about.
If you ain't got no money, they will put you out.
why don't you do right,
like some other men do?

Get out of here,
get me some money too.

Now if you had prepared 20 years ago.
You wouldn't be a wanderin now from door to door.
Why don't you do right,
like some other men do?

Get out of here,
get me some money too.

Get out of here,
get me some money too.

Why don't you do right, like some other men do?



(Words & Music by Joe McCoy, 1942)

 

[jml90]

You could tie a
Small Knot:http://www.brooksbrothers.com/TieKnots/smallknot.tem
Cross Knot:http://www.brooksbrothers.com/TieKnots/crossknot.tem
or
Prince Albert: http://www.brooksbrothers.com/TieKnots/prince-albert.tem

 

[Baron Kurtz]

Prince Albert: http://www.brooksbrothers.com/TieKnots/prince-albert.tem

I don't even want to know ...

bk

 

[jml90]

I don't even want to know ...

bk

What?

 

[Cobden]

I invented my own knot; a sort of cross between a small knot and a half windsor. I'm torn between calling it "The Cobden Knot" or "A knot called Jim"

 

[Baron Kurtz]

What?

Sorry, a Prince Albert is a piercing through the glans of the penis.

bk

 

[The Wingnut]

Cobden, that's actually a common knot, it's called a Pratt or Shelby knot. I use it because I don't like the lopsided look of a 4-in-hand, but still want the symmetry of a Windsor.

 

[Happy Stroller]

Windsor Knot

The full Windsor knot was apparently attributed to the Duke of Windsor. Was this created during the time when he was the Prince of Wales? Excactly which Duke of Windsor are we talking about?

Also, is it true it was actually his brother the Duke of Kent who was the creator of the Windsor knot? Which Duke of Kent are we talking about?

And, is it true the real Windsor knot relates to the bow tie, not the modern long(?) tie?

 

[Baron Kurtz]

As i understand it, the DoW (that is, the future Edward VIII) popularised the knot - everything he wore became popular - but did not invent it. The invention has, i believe been lost in the mists of time. Certainly Edward VIIIs father was pictured with this knot., and perhaps even his grandfather.

bk

 

[Tomasso]

Excactly which Duke of Windsor are we talking about?

There has been only one person to carry the title of Duke of Windsor. The title was created for Edward VIII upon his abdication.

 

[manton]

Actually, the duke of Windsor did not wear this knot at all. He got bespoke ties, cut wide at the knot area and upper blade, and with fairly thick wool linings. He used a four-in-hand knot which tied up wider than usual because of the make of his ties.

The Windsor knot was an attempt to replicate the look of his knots with ordinary ties. If you look at photos, however, you see that his knots are too irregular and asymetrical to be "Windsor" knotted. Also, the width at the top of the front blade, just below the knot, is wider.

 

[Tomasso]

If you look at photos, however, you see that his knots are too irregular and asymetrical to be "Windsor" knotted.