Legendary USA Black Stallion is Back

[Aloysius]

They told me that it was going to be these 100 only. Maybe they're now trying to make it sound more interesting because of all the cancellations and hurt reputation? Anyway, good you're pointing it out. All the changes aren't inspiring trust.

I don't think they're lying about that, but I've figured from the beginning that this is a test run and if it goes well, they'll make a permanent version. I expect it will have some differences, like maybe only the 'anniversary edition' will have the mouton collar, or the subsequent versions won't be in 'horsehide'.

 

[CaughtBetweenWorlds]

I've figured from the beginning that this is a test run and if it goes well, they'll make a permanent version.

It will be interesting to see if they continue selling the numbered jackets after being sold out due to returns, because if this is just a more expensive Hillside with Black Stallion/Legendary branding, I wouldn't be surprised if a chunk of them are sent back.


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On a side note, when it comes to Buco inspired D-pocket jackets, is there a legal reason Schott can't make their own or is it just a decision on their end?

I know they've released various D-pockets on their own both in the states and Japan, but it seems like a Buco style jacket would be a hit for them.

 

[Arnold]

In my browser the item page still says "100 lots limited edition" and the latest email reminder says "limited anniversay edition". I'm not seeing "special anniversary edition" anywhere.

 

[TREEMAN]

I don't think they're lying about that, but I've figured from the beginning that this is a test run and if it goes well, they'll make a permanent version. I expect it will have some differences, like maybe only the 'anniversary edition' will have the mouton collar, or the subsequent versions won't be in 'horsehide'.

I’m not convinced THIS edition is ‘ horsehide’

 

[Aloysius]

On a side note, when it comes to Buco inspired D-pocket jackets, is there a legal reason Schott can't make their own or is it just a decision on their end?

I know they've released various D-pockets on their own both in the states and Japan, but it seems like a Buco style jacket would be a hit for them.

Schott is in a fairly unique position among companies making reproduction leather jackets, alongside Lewis Leathers, Cal-Leathers, and Langlitz, in that they were an original maker back in the day.

Thus, when it comes to reproductions, they focus on reproing their own historic models rather than their historic competitors.

I’m not convinced THIS edition is ‘ horsehide’

Hence my quotation marks lol.

 

[Madhouse27]

It will be interesting to see if they continue selling the numbered jackets after being sold out due to returns, because if this is just a more expensive Hillside with Black Stallion/Legendary branding, I wouldn't be surprised if a chunk of them are sent back.


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On a side note, when it comes to Buco inspired D-pocket jackets, is there a legal reason Schott can't make their own or is it just a decision on their end?

I know they've released various D-pockets on their own both in the states and Japan, but it seems like a Buco style jacket would be a hit for them.

I sent an email to Jason Schott asking him to please re-release their awesome 1928 D-pocket jacket in horsehide. Gave him a little update on the Legendary USA Black Stallion saga. We’ll see if he gets back to me.

 

[Aloysius]

I sent an email to Jason Schott asking him to please re-release their awesome 1928 D-pocket jacket in horsehide. Gave him a little update on the Legendary USA Black Stallion saga. We’ll see if he gets back to me.

Happy to email him as well to show broader support. I’ve been meaning to write him anyway to send a thank you note about something he helped with. Can you DM me his email?

 

[cajunfries]

@Madhouse27 Looks like you are initiating exactly what Legendary had feared, hence their unwillingness to share who assembles it. If Schott agrees, i'm sure the guys with preorders will be left with a worse aftertaste.

 

[Marc mndt]

I sent an email to Jason Schott asking him to please re-release their awesome 1928 D-pocket jacket in horsehide. Gave him a little update on the Legendary USA Black Stallion saga. We’ll see if he gets back to me.

This is the 528us which is exclusively made for the Japanese market. I'd love to have one of these in horsehide. (This one is made out of 'floppy' cow)

 

[Arnold]

This is the 528us which is exclusively made for the Japanese market. I'd love to have one of these in horsehide. (This one is made out of 'floppy' cow)

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That's a great jacket but for me personally it's not a replacement for a good J 23/ 24 clone. Very different back, no chest pocket, different sewing style on the D-pocket. Wouldn't buy, as good as the quality may be.

The only major deviations (from the historical ones) I want are stronger tapering/ a less boxy torso and moving the inside chest pocket to the right side.

 

[Marc mndt]

That's a great jacket but for me personally it's not a replacement for a good J 23/ 24 clone.

Makes sense because it's not a Buco repro lol.

Here's the original.

 

[Aloysius]

Makes sense because it's not a Buco repro lol.

Here's the original.

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The 1928H @Madhouse27 is talking about is an exact reproduction of this. Schott also made one like that for RRL.

I wouldn’t complain about the added side pockets of the non “full” repro D-pocket though. I tend to use them a lot.

 

[Arnold]

Makes sense because it's not a Buco repro lol.

Here's the original.

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I know. But this thread has 18 pages centered around a (formerly) more or less repro jacket, and some people coming here later on (like when they get their current Black Stallion and if it's a disappointment) may mistake the posts about writing to Jason Schott as being concerned with a replacement for the BS.

Good you posted these photos. It's really a very different style from the BS.

 

[CaughtBetweenWorlds]

I sent an email to Jason Schott asking him to please re-release their awesome 1928 D-pocket jacket in horsehide. Gave him a little update on the Legendary USA Black Stallion saga. We’ll see if he gets back to me.

Awesome!

They had a Q&A on their IG page a while back and I inquired about them re-releasing a D-pocket and my question wasn't picked LOL

 

[Madhouse27]

I know. But this thread has 18 pages centered around a (formerly) more or less repro jacket, and some people coming here later on (like when they get their current Black Stallion and if it's a disappointment) may mistake the posts about writing to Jason Schott as being concerned with a replacement for the BS.

Good you posted these photos. It's really a very different style from the BS.

I think the first third of this thread was excitement about the new Black Stallion based on the assumption that Schott would be making it again (since Legendary was using pictures of the jacket that Schott produced for them to solicit pre-orders).

The remainder of this thread then turned to some disappointment that it wasn’t Schott, speculation about who was actually making it, uncertainty about the final product, their return policy and maybe some alternatives to the BS in similar price points.

I’m not sure how my comment about encouraging Jason Schott to re-release one of their own popular limited addition jackets would cause any confusion or concern. If I’ve created any, it pales in comparison to the confusion Legendary USA has generated throughout the marketing of the new Black Stallion. I wanted one. I paid for one. Things changed and I got a refund. Now I’m looking for alternatives. Even without the chest pocket, a Schott 1928h Is probably the closest thing to the original Black Stallion. Not that he’ll even read it, but I suggested to Jason that the timing might be right to make it available again.

 

[Arnold]

Even without the chest pocket, a Schott 1928h Is probably the closest thing to the original Black Stallion.

Maybe I'm not understanding. In terms of looks and "user interface", Lost Worlds J-23 and others that are frequently discussed in this forum are closer to the original Black Stallion than the 1928h is. If you meant it's the closest thing _Schott_ have done, then ok, yes.

 

[Madhouse27]

Maybe I'm not understanding. In terms of looks and "user interface", Lost Worlds J-23 and others that are frequently discussed in this forum are closer to the original Black Stallion than the 1928h is. If you meant it's the closest thing _Schott_ have done, then ok, yes.

Arnold, yes what I was getting at is that with both the original BS and 1928 being made by Schott, the fit, hide, hardware, manufacturing process and overall look and feel of the jacket would be the same. I do agree that some other models match up closer on design features though.

 

[Aloysius]

Maybe I'm not understanding. In terms of looks and "user interface", Lost Worlds J-23 and others that are frequently discussed in this forum are closer to the original Black Stallion than the 1928h is. If you meant it's the closest thing _Schott_ have done, then ok, yes.

He means in terms of the hardware, construction, specific horsehide, etc.

Point being that a jacket of equivalently high quality is ‘closer’ to it than a cheap visual copy.

 

[Madhouse27]

He means in terms of the hardware, construction, specific horsehide, etc.

Point being that a jacket of equivalently high quality is ‘closer’ to it than a cheap visual copy.

And comparable in another important feature that perhaps I failed to mention…THE PRICE. I’m disappointed that the Black Stallion thing didn’t work out for me but I don’t know if I’m $2500 Lost Worlds disappointed lol.

 

[Aloysius]

And comparable in another important feature that perhaps I failed to mention…THE PRICE. I’m disappointed that the Black Stallion thing didn’t work out for me but I don’t know if I’m $2500 Lost Worlds disappointed lol.

The only thing that made this compelling was Schott. Absent Schott, I would go Aero J-106 at this price point.

Not paying Aero/Schott money for Hillside.