I've found it.
"What to wear over my flight jacket", started on 30th November 2006
What to wear over a flight jacket?
- an aeroplane :first:
Buzz Rickson's has a cheaper made in China line called United Carr. Here below are some of their quilted vests.
Generally capeskin, sometimes other hides. It's easy to forget in the discussions of seven pound reproductions, that in the 1920s-1940s, many leather jackets filled the role a nylon windbreaker does today, of a lightweight jacket made for wind blocking, not for warmth.
Technically, Blackadder, it's Toyo Enterprises Co., Ltd. that has the cheaper brand made in China that you noted. Buzz Rickson's is a brand owned by Toyo but there are absolutely no Buzz Rickson's-branded jackets made in China. I wanted to be perfectly clear on this, as I think I've seen you state on a few occasions that Buzz Ricksons' has some jackets made in China, which I can emphatically state is patently false, and I wanted this sort of misinformation to come to an immediate end at this point. I am not accusing you of any malice or deliberate spreading of misinformation; rather, I am trying to set the record straight.
If you don't mind, please explain what made you think Buzz had jackets made in China. Is it due to the United Carr brand or due to some experiments Buzz performed in China in the past?
Thank you!
Technically, Blackadder, it's Toyo Enterprises Co., Ltd. that has the cheaper brand made in China that you noted. Buzz Rickson's is a brand owned by Toyo but there are absolutely no Buzz Rickson's-branded jackets made in China. I wanted to be perfectly clear on this, as I think I've seen you state on a few occasions that Buzz Ricksons' has some jackets made in China, which I can emphatically state is patently false, and I wanted this sort of misinformation to come to an immediate end at this point. I am not accusing you of any malice or deliberate spreading of misinformation; rather, I am trying to set the record straight.
If you don't mind, please explain what made you think Buzz had jackets made in China. Is it due to the United Carr brand or due to some experiments Buzz performed in China in the past?
Thank you!
I do not remember I ever specifically said that any Buzz products was made in China. I might have said a few times that the United Carr are made in China and I did say United Carr was cheaper line of Buzz which might have caused confusion. You have obviously cleared up any misunderstanding anyone might have about the relationship between Buzz, Toyo and for that matter United Carr. Most of Buzz products that I own and have seen are made without a country of origin label except their shirts, jeans and leather jackets so I don't even know where most of their products are made and I never speculate as to where those are made despite rumours and all.
I think someone else did sometime ago but not me
http://www.thefedoralounge.com/showthread.php?64632-New-Buzz-Rickson-Roughwear-AC-27752
If you mean this, I do apologize to those who have read that post for not making it crystal clear that I was referring to United Carr.
http://www.thefedoralounge.com/showthread.php?72250-MA-1-Flight-jacket/page36
Don't the labels say United Carr by Buzz Rickson's? So any of those jackets are made in Japan by Buzz?
The labels shouldn't include the Buzz Rickson's name because the brands are fully separate and have nothing to do with each other.
United Carr products are not Buzz Rickson's products. UC items are made in China and lack much of the hyper-authentic detailing, hardware, and fabrics of a Buzz item; these UC items are for a different market, presumably, and at lower, different price points, so you won't get copies of vintage Crown zippers on a UC-made MA-1 or the correct nylon twill outer shell or wool batting inside, etc. UC items are more military styled or inspired in much the same way as you'd expect to see done by Avirex, Alpha, Schott, or just about any other maker not obsessed with making near-perfect copies of vintage military styles.
Buzz Rickson's jackets are made in Japan - leather, cotton, nylon - it's all made in Japan. Buzz did attempt to make some items in the USA, and they may do that again one day, but these would be blatantly marketed as such because that would add a marketing cache' to the Japanese consumer of such things. They also experimented with making the real good stuff labeled as BR in China years ago, but this was an experiment and no production runs or sales of these items took place. The Chinese factories they employed could not provide the level of quality and detail Toyo wanted for the BR brand and, eventually, the cost benefit from China was not much, so the project was dropped.
Buzz Rickson's jackets have been and remain made in Japan, and each item we market on our website clearly states the country of origin on the item page's description.
I'm not sure you've answered the question... there are plenty of jackets out there with the following labels: Does that mean they are all fakes or that Toyo did in fact at one time position United Carr as a "second label" to Buzz?
I saw an episode of "Hell On Wheels" last night where the main character (Anson Mount) had his leather vest on under a big, wool sort of jacket. It looked 100% badass. Of course that guy would look good in a potato sack. There's a lot of stuff that can be layered, but I've see some epic fails too...