Is this Horse Hide from 5 *?

[Monitor]

Hi, I tried to post in the 5* thread but there was some serious hissy x fitting going on and the mods locked it up....anywhoooo. I ordered a Horsehide from them and am quite certain this is cowhide. Unless its a cheaper cut, but I have owned about 8 Horsehides and they were all smooth and most marked FQHH.

This looks like Steerhide and I emailed/WA'd both Shawn and Fargham immediately after receiving pics, but still waiting for a reply.

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It looks like (n)either cowhide or horsehide. It could be any and none is distinguishable from the other with absolute certainty, printed or not. All of this stuff is whatever the maker says it is and if they say it's horsehide, it's all the same to me, you or any of us.

Here's a test - Can anyone say what kind of leather this is?

 

[TartuWolf]

Well, at least my goatskin looked goaty AF. And now it goes to USA for someone else to enjoy the goatyness.

 

[Harris HTM]

Well, at least my goatskin looked goaty AF. And now it goes to USA for someone else to enjoy the goatyness.

my 5* goatskin smelled as a goat as well. An alive one.

 

[TartuWolf]

Funny you mention that. Got a pair of local handmade wool mittens yesterday. What I like about it the most is the smell. It doesn't smell like regular wool, but rather like an actual alive sheep haha. Especially when a bit wet.

 

[Marc mndt]

I'm glad my peccary gloves don't smell like a pig.

 

[revkev]

For the love of Gawd, their customer service stinks. I told them to not send this and just refund me. Replied to Fargham's email within minutes of receiving his questioning the leather and rejecting order. Then Whatsapp'd Shawn. ZERO response from either. They are sure quick to reply before they take your money, but once they get it, they take their sweet time. Is this common? When you have a problem, then all of a sudden you are on the back burner?

 

[ton312]

For the love of Gawd, their customer service stinks. I told them to not send this and just refund me. Replied to Fargham's email within minutes of receiving his questioning the leather and rejecting order. Then Whatsapp'd Shawn. ZERO response from either. They are sure quick to reply before they take your money, but once they get it, they take their sweet time. Is this common? When you have a problem, then all of a sudden you are on the back burner?

It’s possible they are trying to find out what happened with your order. It’s also possible they will come back, tell you it is in fact HH, and send you a tracking number. If they tell you it’s what you ordered I don’t think they will refund you based on the hides appearance. I don’t know that for certain but that’s my gut feeling.

 

[Edward]

I’m now back to buying Eastmans jackets at a rate of one every few years due to cost. It’s unlikely I’ll buy any more 5* Leather jackets but I have been tempted to try one of their nylon MA-1’s by way of forwarding one of my existing ones to base measurements on.

I'm intrigued by their canvas USN flying jackets (the M421, if memory serves?). I've certainly encountered other makers in the past whose textile jackets were great even if I wasn't so keen on their leathers.

As to OP, horse and steer can sometimes look a lot more alike than we expect, which would make me wary of paying a big upcharge for horse for the sake of it, unless it *was* a particularly special hide that steer / cow couldn't match.

 

[Kenan]

I’m now back to buying Eastmans jackets at a rate of one every few years due to cost. It’s unlikely I’ll buy any more 5* Leather jackets but I have been tempted to try one of their nylon MA-1’s by way of forwarding one of my existing ones to base measurements on.

Less is more tbh. Especially if you are between buying more 5* jackets or waiting and getting something from Eastman.

 

[revkev]

I'm intrigued by their canvas USN flying jackets (the M421, if memory serves?). I've certainly encountered other makers in the past whose textile jackets were great even if I wasn't so keen on their leathers.

As to OP, horse and steer can sometimes look a lot more alike than we expect, which would make me wary of paying a big upcharge for horse for the sake of it, unless it *was* a particularly special hide that steer / cow couldn't match.

I never have seen horse look like steer like this. Oh well.

 

[cbez]

I have never seen horse make the large 'bumps' like cow sometimes does.

 

[Aloysius]

I have never seen horse make the large 'bumps' like cow sometimes does.

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Is this cow?

 

[cbez]

Yessir

 

[TartuWolf]

Unlined to boot!

 

[Aloysius]

Yessir

I have horsehide (from reputable makers) that looks identical. I'm in the camp where it's ambiguous short of a DNA test (which Gary Eastman had to do), unless our microscope using new member figures something out.

 

[cbez]

Maybe they're slipping you cow too...post it up. I've never seen 'pebbly' horse for lack of a better word. I've seen spidery/whiskery that looks similar though.

 

[spectre6000]

...unless our microscope using new member figures something out.

No promises; no hypotheses. I'm practicing radical ignorance on this one. All I can promise is that I'll do my best.

I suggested/soft requested to Shawn this morning that he send me a complete set of all available leathers (rather than just the browns I initially requested), and pointed him to the microscopy thread. I just discovered this thread in the last (however many minutes it took to read it). I'll keep people posted in that thread.

 

[Aloysius]

No promises; no hypotheses. I'm practicing radical ignorance on this one. All I can promise is that I'll do my best.

I suggested/soft requested to Shawn this morning that he send me a complete set of all available leathers (rather than just the browns I initially requested), and pointed him to the microscopy thread. I just discovered this thread in the last (however many minutes it took to read it). I'll keep people posted in that thread.

Once you get the CHL, keep the swatch tucked into your chest pocket at all times. Should you ever get shot, it'll stop the bullet.

 

[revkev]

Soooo Shawn claims my steer looking hide is horse. Regardless I’m rejecting the order. When discussing the jacket (prepayment) he would reply back in minutes. Now that there is an issue, I wait days for a reply. But the HH he has pictured on the site looks absolutely nothing like the one they made for me. This is my first and last time I deal with 1 Star

 

[El Marro]

When discussing the jacket (prepayment) he would reply back in minutes. Now that there is an issue, I wait days for a reply.

That is incredibly frustrating! It turns an already tense situation into an adversarial one in my experience.