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Where do you find these incredible Irvins mate ??? You must have a time machine
blacklagoon said:that jacket is incredible Andrew.i sure wish mine was in that condition.it is fascinating how you manage to find such immaculate jackets,i wish i had your touch and gift of acquisition.
I sent an email to pecards uk,asking if they could help getting the oil out of my jacket.they said they will ask pecards in the usa for help for me.I really hope they know a why to get oil out,as it really is smelling bad at times,and the smell sticks to whatever it touches,clothes etc.:eusa_doh:
I have noticed that the collar rings on mine,seem to be a lot smaller than yours,comparing by the pictures.i would say about 1 full inch from the corner of the sheepskin,but mine seem so much more compact into a much smaller ring.your jacket is in such immaculate condition,it beggers belief. i am so glad you bought it,it means it will stay as it is for a very long time to come.
aswatland said:Well done. I noticed this Irvin. IMO it's pre-war, probably mid 1930s. It has similar features to my 1933 Irvin: thin seam tapes, single trunion brass Dot zips, a darker brown finish and close pile fleece. A bargain for £80!
Alan Eardley said:Very early - look at the 'first pattern' zips! And the belt - a later addition? Probably a civilian model.
BTW, I have been trying to get rid of a similar aged jacket in similar condition (ripped sleeve) for nothing and no-one will take it off my hands!
Alan
Mike1973 said:Hey Alan, I'm no stranger to wearing wrecks of Irvins...
In fact it sounds in better nick than the one I actually wear Good home waiting if your interested!
Alan Eardley said:Mike
PM me - it's rough but restorable (torn sleeve and patched body panel) but needs and deserves a good home. I'll need you to give me your word on that, of course. It's has no label, but is a trim 38", by the way.
aswatland said:The belt is also a replacement, although it would seem the original buckle end has been sewn to a later plain belt.
Do you believe the dark colour to be oil? My 1933 Irvin is the same colour and definitely is not oil!
A nice restoration job indeed! Good luck with it.
Alan Eardley said:Or maybe it did not have a belt originally?
Many early examples are very dark (almost black) in what seems to be their original form and some examples I have seen have an oily smell. The latter point has interested me for some time - if you see one jacket that has an oily finish or smell it may be a coincidence or an accident, but two see two or three or four...it begins to look purposeful. I wonder if it was an early attempt at waterproofing?
The sleeve zips are original - first pattern, double trunnion Dots. They are the same as on the example I have been trying to give away, as is the whole jacket, in fact. I think it has found a good home, by the way.
Alan
Alan Eardley said:Or maybe it did not have a belt originally?
Many early examples are very dark (almost black) in what seems to be their original form and some examples I have seen have an oily smell. The latter point has interested me for some time - if you see one jacket that has an oily finish or smell it may be a coincidence or an accident, but two see two or three or four...it begins to look purposeful. I wonder if it was an early attempt at waterproofing?
The sleeve zips are original - first pattern, double trunnion Dots. They are the same as on the example I have been trying to give away, as is the whole jacket, in fact. I think it has found a good home, by the way.
Alan
aswatland said:As you have pointed out before the history of zips is a difficult area. It would be interesting if the sleeve zips on the jacket are earlier than 1938. They may well be the original sliders and pullers.
aswatland said:Alan, You may well be correct about the belt, however the belt loops look original to jacket so perhaps it did originally have a belt, but was subsequently repaired.
Alan Eardley said:Andrew,
By the way, are you sure that IAC 33 (or 35 or 37 etc.) refers to the date of manufacture and is not an Irvin production code or something? I have seen IAC numbers in the mid 30s on the labels of jackets that have all the features of war-time jackets.
Alan
aswatland said:The jacket has a 1932 printed date as part of the patent no, but the 33 is stamped on along with IAC, so it was most likely made in 1933.