Instant nausea inducement

[Feraud]

No I haven't missed the point.
You taking some imagined moral highground based on what you attribute this group of hipsters (our term, not theirs) feel and do. Based on some photo or random internet quote?

 

[Mrs. Merl]

Wow, I guess I don't know any of these people you are all so mad at...'cause I read this entire thread and still have no idea what anyone is talking about. I guess here in the mountains people just wear whatever they want and we don't attach an entire social statement to it...I guess. But in the event these people are as depraved as some of you insist - please don't put them in anything like the CCC - I don't want them here!

(Also, the link in the beginning is in fact no longer valid. Though after seeing the fury inducing picture...I still don't get it. But yeah.) I guess some days we are all inclined to give in to our crankies, because that is what I got out of this!

 

[Geesie]

No I haven't missed the point.
You taking some imagined moral highground based on what you attribute this group of hipsters (our term, not theirs) feel and do. Based on some photo or random internet quote?

No, by knowing them, talking to them, going to parties with them, reading their web sites.
But thanks for playing.

 

[Geesie]

You keep 'quoting' the same thing, with no attribution of source. Either source it, or it ends up being non-relevant as an 'expert opinion'

Who said it?


Quote:
But at some point hipsters and irony changed. Irony no longer pointed to the irreconcilability of human life with mass society,; it reconciled hipsters with mass society. Suddenly, it became “hilarious” to embrace barbarian garbage, provided you made a big to do about the fact that you were being ironic.
...
what is at the heart of hipster irony; complete deindivduation, the destruction of genuine experience, the disavowal of art, meaning, community, sincerity, expression and the abdication of critical thought.

I never put it forth as an "expert opinion". Is an idea only worth reading if it comes from someone you deem to be an "expert"?
Anyway, I didn't source it for fear of offending anyone's sensibilities or the rules on profanity, but here you go.
**** Hipster Irony

 

[Lady Day]

And 14 thousand members here...mostly posting about 'Is this hat ok to be wearing, is this dress appropriate or on target for 'our look'......

lol

just because our 'group' is online....

Hipster dialogue aside, what is your position in this argument? Or frankly any argument? Your counter always seems to be devil's advocate to any and all positions anyone else takes. Its quite flummoxing.

LD

 

[Miss Neecerie]

Hipster dialogue aside, what is your position in this argument? Or frankly any argument? Your counter always seems to be devil's advocate to any and all positions anyone else takes. Its quite flummoxing.

LD

My position in this argument is as follows:

'We' as a group seem very concerned about what people say about our dress. There are multiple threads on 'the stupidest comment' 'what people say about how I dress' etc

Why would it then be a good, decent, nice, and moral (you know, those vintage attributes we all ramble on about having when no one else does)...thing, to post and mock other groups' dress choices.

Saying 'we do dress better' and other similar things...makes the proverbial 'us'....JUST as Lizzie describes below:

Originally Posted by LizzieMaine
I'll go out on a limb and offer my own definition: "hipness" and "cool" are simply excuses for a constructed sense of cultural superiority. To be "cool" is to insist to the world that you like "better" music, eat "better" food, wear "better" clothes, and to support "better" philosophies than the unwashed rabble. And it's luxuriating in that sense of imagined superiority that's the main reason people obsess so much about being "cool" -- it's not actually about the music, or the food or the clothes or the philosophies at all, it's about being better than Other People.




That rule does not change just because its 'Us'


Period.


My position is that we should not -need- to stoop to such levels.

 

[Feraud]

No, by knowing them, talking to them, going to parties with them, reading their web sites.
But thanks for playing.

Such disdain for people you seem to spend sooo much time with. lol
I guess familiarity breeds contempt.

 

[Geesie]

Such disdain for people you seem to spend sooo much time with. lol
I guess familiarity breeds contempt.

I don't agree with everything that people I am around think or do.
Do you?

 

[Feraud]

No. Nor do I take such a phony "moral superiority" (your words, not mine) in disagreeing with them.
We live we learn I guess..

 

[Geesie]

No. Nor do I take such a phony "moral superiority" (your words, not mine) in disagreeing with them.
We live we learn I guess..

Sorry you're so offended by the idea that not everything is equal.

 

[Lady Day]

My position in this argument is as follows:

'We' as a group seem very concerned about what people say about our dress. There are multiple threads on 'the stupidest comment' 'what people say about how I dress' etc

Why would it then be a good, decent, nice, and moral (you know, those vintage attributes we all ramble on about having when no one else does)...thing, to post and mock other groups' dress choices.

Saying 'we do dress better' and other similar things...makes the proverbial 'us'....JUST as Lizzie describes below:

That rule does not change just because its 'Us'

Period.

My position is that we should not -need- to stoop to such levels.

Three pages later, I get it. Thanks.

LD

 

[Feraud]

Your apology is accepted.
I never said everything is equal so do not attribute that to me.
You are barking up the wrong tree if you think that juvenille trick will work here kid.

 

[Geesie]

Your apology is accepted.
I never said everything is equal so do not attribute that to me.
You are barking up the wrong tree if you think that juvenille trick will work here kid.

Oh, so only my ideas of superiority are phony. Yours, I guess, are accurate.

 

[Feraud]

Once again, I won't defend something I didn't say.
I never said I have any ideas of superiority so there is nothing to correct.

If you really want to debate your ideas of superiority, do it with a hipster, and preferable face to face. Such notions of superiority tend to melt away when you have to tell a guy to his face that you are "morally superior" and have "better motives" than him.

 

[Geesie]

An atheist, a Christian, and a Jew walk into a bar. We had a pretty nice time, though I know for a fact that at least one of that group regularly expresses his or her disdain for the beliefs of the others on an online forum.

A communist, a capitalist, and an anarchist go on a camping trip. It was fun, though I know for a fact that at least one of that group attends meetings in which the idea that the beliefs of the others are ignorant and damaging to society.

I don't begrudge any of these people either their beliefs or their ability to assert their superiority in their own fora. And I'm certainly not going to apologize for doing the same.

I never said everything is equal

I never said I have any ideas of superiority

Uh...

 

[Feraud]

Uh... what? Do you think those two statments are in conflict?

Here's a quick example. Steak and tofu are not in my opinion equal ingredients in cooking. That does not make one superior to the other. They both have pros and cons.

I agree to disagree on the topic. We can leave it there.

 

[Son_of_Atropos]

My position in this argument is as follows:

'We' as a group seem very concerned about what people say about our dress. There are multiple threads on 'the stupidest comment' 'what people say about how I dress' etc

Why would it then be a good, decent, nice, and moral (you know, those vintage attributes we all ramble on about having when no one else does)...thing, to post and mock other groups' dress choices.

Saying 'we do dress better' and other similar things...makes the proverbial 'us'....JUST as Lizzie describes below:

Originally Posted by LizzieMaine
I'll go out on a limb and offer my own definition: "hipness" and "cool" are simply excuses for a constructed sense of cultural superiority. To be "cool" is to insist to the world that you like "better" music, eat "better" food, wear "better" clothes, and to support "better" philosophies than the unwashed rabble. And it's luxuriating in that sense of imagined superiority that's the main reason people obsess so much about being "cool" -- it's not actually about the music, or the food or the clothes or the philosophies at all, it's about being better than Other People.




That rule does not change just because its 'Us'


Period.


My position is that we should not -need- to stoop to such levels.

I was always under the impression that the loungers were critiquing the hipsters' clothing and the vapid, hollow "coolness" of counterculture dress in general.

Criticism is not malicious.

One distinction between the loungers and other sub-genres is the overwhelming minority of the lounge. 14,000 members WORLDWIDE that is nothing in the grand scheme of things. There are probably what 4 loungers for every major metropolitan city. Therefore, we bear more slings and arrows because we don't have the insulating effect a local group provides. Also, I would guess that of 14,000 maybe 10% post regularly. Therefore the lounge is more of a loose connection of individuals rather than a definite group. People probably just want to blow off some steam. Strength in numbers, loungers don't have it.

 

[Geesie]

Uh... what? Do you think those two statments are in conflict?

Here's a quick example. Steak and tofu are not in my opinion equal ingredients in cooking. That does not make one superior to the other. They both have pros and cons.

I agree to disagree on the topic. We can leave it there.

I mostly object to your characterization of my criticism as "phony". Aesthetics and Critical Theory are valid areas of philosophy.

 

[Son_of_Atropos]

I found Geesie's quote to be on point.

 

[Hemingway Jones]

Since no one heeded my earlier advice, which in fact was a not so subtle warning, I'm going to have to let this one cool for a while...