Homburg or snap brim flipped up?

[suitedcboy]

I see hats on an unnammed auction site and also occasionally on a popular free classifieds. My question is what constitutes a Homburg?
I always thought a Homburg had a crown with a center crease and had a rolled bound edge. I see hats listed for sale that appear to me to be what I always had referred to as "snap brim" without the brim snapped down in front. No bound edge. Some of these have the center crown dent but a fedora can have a center crown dent can't it?

Is this homburg or fedora or ???

 

[Garrett]

Not a Homburg

Indeed, you're right. Its a snap brim fedora......sellers are not often educated on what they are selling and will use incorrect terms. This is common on OFAS.

 

[tonyb]

A large majority of the hats that most knowledgeable people would call Homburgs meet your criteria for Homburghood. (Or is it "Homburgness"?) But not all. Not all Homburgs have a ribbon-bound edge, for instance. And there are those hats of a hybrid style -- hats that the original maker intended to be that way, with elements of more than one style. And then there are those hats that started out purer of pedigree but which were later modified by the owner or his hatter.

But I'm with Garrett -- that one's a fedora.

 

[Max Flash]

Not all Homburgs have a ribbon-bound edge, for instance.

I believe a Homburg without a ribbon-bound edge is called a Lord's hat. I expect they are rarely seen though. It would still have the same rolled edge as a Homburg.

Without that rolled edge, it is likely to be an unsnapped fedora.

 

[stibbons]

Whatever it's called, it sure looks like a nice hat.

 

[Craig Robertson]

I have a lovely Cavanagh homburg that doesn't have a ribbon bound edge. Nice pencil rolled edge. If I can find my camera I'll take a photo of it. (we're remodeling and everything is not where it should be...)

 

[tonyb]

I believe a Homburg without a ribbon-bound edge is called a Lord's hat. I expect they are rarely seen though. It would still have the same rolled edge as a Homburg.

Without that rolled edge, it is likely to be an unsnapped fedora.

Interesting, that. If the "Lord's hat" moniker ever made its way across the pond, its arrival wasn't widely reported.

Any thoughts as to its etymology?

Like Craig, I, too, happen to have a hat with all the typical Homburg attributes except the bound edge. Mine's a Borsalino, though.

 

[Lefty]

This is all that I've got on this issue.

 

[Craig Robertson]

This is all that I've got on this issue.

Yup, Lefty, the hat on the right looks exactly like my Cavanagh...even with the pinched front. Nice hat, less casual than a homburg. Now I know what to call it...a Lord's Hat.

 

[Dinerman]

That hat looks like a late 1950s or 1960s stingy brim with a cavanagh edge, or possibly a sewn overwelt brim edge. It's hard to tell in the picture. The brim isn't snapped down. The centerdent with no pinches look was popular at this time.

 

[daizawaguy]

Here is my modern version of that hat...

My take is it just a simple center dent on a snappable brim...

Snap the brim down, give the crown a little working on...and voila!

(Apologies for those who have seen these photo`s before, but a picture is wirth a thousand words...)