Heavy creasing on a Simmons Bilt Pacific jacket

[Yango]

There you have it in a nutshell, unless your a fashion model or a stitch counter, you like it or you don't

…stitch counter… lol.

 

[Aloysius]

Wow, very interesting that you ended up getting the jacket I ordered. I never saw the jacket personally - my UK proxy measured it correctly and it was completely off. Seeing the leather I'm glad I never got it. But even now I stand by my opinion - SB can make a great jacket for a good price if you're clear enough with your request and very demanding with pre-shipping QC.

I didn't understand how you kept making this argument before you ordered, but the fact that you keep making after (now years after) is baffling.

The very thing you note as your caveat is utterly disqualifying, frankly. That is not the customer's job.

I think it adds character

This isn't a case of extra grain; it's a case of intentionally using the throwaway panel there.

 

[TartuWolf]

@Aloysius I can understand your confusion

 

[Bawheid]

There you have it in a nutshell, unless your a fashion model or a stitch counter, you like it or you don't

Been there , done that.
Certainly NOT as a "fashion mo-del" or a stitch counter (haha) but as a commentator on the same.
Each to their own.

 

[nattevagten]

LOL. The usual suspects throwing mud at SB again. Some people just can't let go it seems.

Bought two jackets from SB without any issues whatsoever. Plenty of people here who have been happy with their jackets from SB. Yet some one-off incident with someone's 'Pacific' gets brought up again and again, even though it happened more than five years ago and no one else had any major complaints about them.

Plus, if you check Aero's stock, you'll often see jackets returned because of wrong measurements, too. These things happen with every manufacturer, for cryin out loud.

As for OP, I think the sleeve adds character, but to each their own.

 

[Aloysius]

LOL. The usual suspects throwing mud at SB again. Some people just can't let go it seems.

Bought two jackets from SB without any issues whatsoever. Plenty of people here who have been happy with their jackets from SB. Yet some one-off incident with someone's 'Pacific' gets brought up again and again, even though it happened more than five years ago and no one else had any major complaints about them.

Plus, if you check Aero's stock, you'll often see jackets returned because of wrong measurements, too. These things happen with every manufacturer, for cryin out loud.

As for OP, I think the sleeve adds character, but to each their own.

What are you on about?

We're talking about an ongoing QC problem that SB more often than not does not admit to when the jackets arrive faulty.

Yeah the Aeros get returned for it, sure; SB usually refuses the return.

Completely unrelated to the earlier shady SB stuff.

 

[Nykwil]

LOL. The usual suspects throwing mud at SB again. Some people just can't let go it seems.

Bought two jackets from SB without any issues whatsoever. Plenty of people here who have been happy with their jackets from SB. Yet some one-off incident with someone's 'Pacific' gets brought up again and again, even though it happened more than five years ago and no one else had any major complaints about them.

Plus, if you check Aero's stock, you'll often see jackets returned because of wrong measurements, too. These things happen with every manufacturer, for cryin out loud.

As for OP, I think the sleeve adds character, but to each their own.

If you do business with a company, (especially if you're spending hundreds to thousands in dollars) you'd probably want to know if they steal, because that ultimately dictates their whole worldview, as can be seen by the IDGAF view of leather panel usage.

Good for you, for looking beyond that and into your wallet and giving it to said company.

If you feel personally attacked by that, dont worry, no one cited you personally for your purchases.

 

[Nykwil]

LOL. The usual suspects throwing mud at SB again. Some people just can't let go it seems.

Bought two jackets from SB without any issues whatsoever. Plenty of people here who have been happy with their jackets from SB. Yet some one-off incident with someone's 'Pacific' gets brought up again and again, even though it happened more than five years ago and no one else had any major complaints about them.

Plus, if you check Aero's stock, you'll often see jackets returned because of wrong measurements, too. These things happen with every manufacturer, for cryin out loud.

As for OP, I think the sleeve adds character, but to each their own.

Smart folks will take their time and do research for
The product that they want to spend hundreds of dollars on
Finding the right jacket takes time
Unfortunate some people just want to take the shortcut and not do the research.

 

[Harris HTM]

you'd probably want to know if they steal

What about companies that don't steal patterns but their countries tax authorities by selling under the table? Is it moral to buy from them?

 

[Harris HTM]

Or companies whose ceo's steal companies money to spend with their girlfri3nds?

What about companies that don't steal patterns but their countries tax authorities by selling under the table? Is it moral to buy from them?

 

[Tom71]

Directed to no one in particular:

I am somewhat tired of yet another thread that started out as a genuine enquiry about a specific jacket and went on to become one of the usual, “Simmons Bilt makes ****ty jackets and is a fraudster company” thread.

Same thing with every Himel thread. Same weariness on my part.

No one needs to give money to SB, but those who did by and large are happy with what they get. The collabs are great and have no QC issues (I would assume because the collab partner is insisting on diligent protocols), the OTR jackets are the same.
For MTO it pays to specify exactly what you want. Yes, not solely the customers obligation, but others get it wrong too, once in a while.

Personally, I have had two SB jackets and both were fine. One Cafe Racer form super thick CXL FQHH was one of my absolute favourites and got compliments left and right.

As to the fraud. All this is well documented (here on TFL too). That was really despicable.
However: the perpetrators are no longer with the company. Criminal charges have never been pressed.
It is ok to draw a moral line here and take the business elsewhere.

On the other hand all that happened so long ago that in most European countries you would now be considered ready for re-socialisation even for manslaughter. AND it’s nothing to do with anybody at SB today.

Personally I wish, people would start to move on. Or at least not drag the same story out again every chance they get. Not my idea of treating people.

 

[Bawheid]

Directed to no one in particular:

I am somewhat tired of yet another thread that started out as a genuine enquiry about a specific jacket and went on to become one of the usual, “Simmons Bilt makes ****ty jackets and is a fraudster company” thread.

Same thing with every Himel thread. Same weariness on my part.

No one needs to give money to SB, but those who did by and large are happy with what they get. The collabs are great and have no QC issues (I would assume because the collab partner is insisting on diligent protocols), the OTR jackets are the same.
For MTO it pays to specify exactly what you want. Yes, not solely the customers obligation, but others get it wrong too, once in a while.

Personally, I have had two SB jackets and both were fine. One Cafe Racer form super thick CXL FQHH was one of my absolute favourites and got compliments left and right.

As to the fraud. All this is well documented (here on TFL too). That was really despicable.
However: the perpetrators are no longer with the company. Criminal charges have never been pressed.
It is ok to draw a moral line here and take the business elsewhere.

On the other hand all that happened so long ago that in most European countries you would now be considered ready for re-socialisation even for manslaughter. AND it’s nothing to do with anybody at SB today.

Personally I wish, people would start to move on. Or at least not drag the same story out again every chance they get. Not my idea of treating people.

Hear ye hear ye.
Nothing to see here folks !

My own 2 Simmons Bilt beauties are indeed "OTR". Fit me fine.
5 years back my J100 was a go to motorcycle option.
Due to "middle aged spread" it is now worn on unfastened occasions haha..
That's 100% all down to me.
NOT Simmons Bilt per Se.
Nebraska (I really love that jacket) still fits and fastens up no worries.

 

[zebedee]

I buy Simmons Bilt jackets and Nestlé products occasionally, so I will be eating chocolate in hell. At the pearly gates, I now strongly suspect that I will be asked to raise my arms. 'Is that belly leather?'

On a more serious note, my SBs fit entirely differently to my other jackets (the shoulder and neck fits are more like my Thedi). The SBV2 I own in Blattwerk Mahogany has slightly roomy sleeves, but I asked for a loose fit to cram a hoody underneath. I think that specifying as many measurements as possible is a good idea no matter what company we're discussing. And, to their credit, nobody other than SB would cheerfully make me something this mental (although I won't have to fear going missing in the snow):

 

[AttemptingToStyleUp]

Directed to no one in particular:

I am somewhat tired of yet another thread that started out as a genuine enquiry about a specific jacket and went on to become one of the usual, “Simmons Bilt makes ****ty jackets and is a fraudster company” thread.

Same thing with every Himel thread. Same weariness on my part.

No one needs to give money to SB, but those who did by and large are happy with what they get. The collabs are great and have no QC issues (I would assume because the collab partner is insisting on diligent protocols), the OTR jackets are the same.
For MTO it pays to specify exactly what you want. Yes, not solely the customers obligation, but others get it wrong too, once in a while.

Personally, I have had two SB jackets and both were fine. One Cafe Racer form super thick CXL FQHH was one of my absolute favourites and got compliments left and right.

As to the fraud. All this is well documented (here on TFL too). That was really despicable.
However: the perpetrators are no longer with the company. Criminal charges have never been pressed.
It is ok to draw a moral line here and take the business elsewhere.

On the other hand all that happened so long ago that in most European countries you would now be considered ready for re-socialisation even for manslaughter. AND it’s nothing to do with anybody at SB today.

Personally I wish, people would start to move on. Or at least not drag the same story out again every chance they get. Not my idea of treating people.

I was going to comment about how this thread seemed to be going off the rails, but you put it so much more eloquently than I could.

With regards to this specific jacket, I'm sure there was a QC issue on it, but yet I would have kept it 100% if it didn't look so off-putting. More than the heavy graining itself, it's the unevenness of how it looks (the left sleeve looking heavily worn while the right sleeve doesn't; someone referring to it as 'ballsack leather' is right on the money) that's prompting me to return it. It's a shame because otherwise, I have no complaints with it - I like the design, and the creasing aside, it looks just as I envisioned when worn.

 

[Zoro]

Nestlé products occasionally, so I will be eating chocolate in hell

You'll be eating bad chocolate in hell

 

[Jon Crow]

It’s a pity this jacket didn’t work out, although I’d not mind the creasing/graining. I own three SBs and they’re of excellent quality. The Japanese hides are not Shinki, but Japan has several tanneries that produce hides that are of the same caliber.

Japan has a few decent jackets that they name as premium Horsehide not shinki

 

[Jon Crow]

I was going to comment about how this thread seemed to be going off the rails, but you put it so much more eloquently than I could.

With regards to this specific jacket, I'm sure there was a QC issue on it, but yet I would have kept it 100% if it didn't look so off-putting. More than the heavy graining itself, it's the unevenness of how it looks (the left sleeve looking heavily worn while the right sleeve doesn't; someone referring to it as 'ballsack leather' is right on the money) that's prompting me to return it. It's a shame because otherwise, I have no complaints with it - I like the design, and the creasing aside, it looks just as I envisioned when worn.

In the 19th century ballsack leather was just for a tobacco pouch haha

 

[Aloysius]

Directed to no one in particular:

I am somewhat tired of yet another thread that started out as a genuine enquiry about a specific jacket and went on to become one of the usual, “Simmons Bilt makes ****ty jackets and is a fraudster company” thread.

Same thing with every Himel thread. Same weariness on my part.

No one needs to give money to SB, but those who did by and large are happy with what they get. The collabs are great and have no QC issues (I would assume because the collab partner is insisting on diligent protocols), the OTR jackets are the same.
For MTO it pays to specify exactly what you want. Yes, not solely the customers obligation, but others get it wrong too, once in a while.

Personally, I have had two SB jackets and both were fine. One Cafe Racer form super thick CXL FQHH was one of my absolute favourites and got compliments left and right.

As to the fraud. All this is well documented (here on TFL too). That was really despicable.
However: the perpetrators are no longer with the company. Criminal charges have never been pressed.
It is ok to draw a moral line here and take the business elsewhere.

On the other hand all that happened so long ago that in most European countries you would now be considered ready for re-socialisation even for manslaughter. AND it’s nothing to do with anybody at SB today.

Personally I wish, people would start to move on. Or at least not drag the same story out again every chance they get. Not my idea of treating people.

FWIW I basically agree with you.

I'm trying to be very careful here to speak only about this QC issue rather than us beating the dead storse of the theft over and over.

If one feels he must get a SB, the way to do it is through the partner because they have far more leverage to reject bad QC than a customer does.

I was actually more shocked when I heard it was Tartu's failed MTO order, because that means they are using stomach hide as sleeve material (I would understand it if that were for apprentice practice jackets or something.)