Fit check - Rough Out Western Jacket by RMC

[Tom71]

You can also check for stock sizes on the Vanson Maverick. With your chest-size, I´d say, a 42 would be a pretty good fit. The "Brandy Roma" is a beautiful leather, and I have eyeballed that one myself a number of times.

 

[WolfofStateSt]

It has to be suede for my purposes

 

[Aloysius]

Might be worth calling Vanson to ask if they have any suede they can use for a Maverick. Even with the customization cost it's going to be pretty reasonable.

 

[Tom71]

It has to be suede for my purposes

I see. Then Aero is the better option.

Or Y2. They have a very nice orange suede that they sale as a Type III at the moment.
While the Aero is very tapered, the Y2 is pretty boxy. I’d say, depending on your body type, one of them should do the trick for you.

 

[DogFacePonySoldier]

Curious if this would go well with a sweater underneath, as it’s that time of the year it does look rather large. I tried an RMC flannel and it was a lot bigger than IH or Flathead, Japanesely speaking.

 

[WolfofStateSt]

I see. Then Aero is the better option.

Or Y2. They have a very nice orange suede that they sale as a Type III at the moment.
While the Aero is very tapered, the Y2 is pretty boxy. I’d say, depending on your body type, one of them should do the trick for you.

I’m in my 20’s and fairly good shape, all my sport coats have a taper to them.

 

[WolfofStateSt]

I’m in my 20’s and fairly good shape, all my sport coats have a taper to them.

The Aero looks good. I’m a bit disheartened about the RMC not working, but at 6’3” it’s tricky to get the right fit. I’m a size 44 with their A2, but the way that jacket is shaped it fits my body much better than this. Unfortunately I haven’t heard back from RMC about the return, but I imagine it might take 2 business days for them to process that request.

I love my A2 and B3 so much I started to develop a brand loyalty for RMC, so I would need some more testimonials for the Aero brand to feel comfortable buying those jackets. Having never seen an Aero in person, I am curious if they would actually be better for me than a RMC cut.

I tend to be ask some of these questions a few times, I like to be well researched before I pull the trigger on a leather/suede jacket.

 

[WolfofStateSt]

Curious if this would go well with a sweater underneath, as it’s that time of the year it does look rather large. I tried an RMC flannel and it was a lot bigger than IH or Flathead, Japanesely speaking.

I don’t know how much this forum is familiar with the &Sons brand, it’s definitely up there in quality but not as fancy as brands like RMC or Buzz Ricksons. Anyway, I bought a large Fisherman Sweater from them and this jackets fits better over that.

I always struggle with jacket fit and whether I should size up for layers… it depends on the jacket.

A parka or sheepskin coat is definitely only going to be worn with a sweater or flannel—even Peacoats but those tend to be more fitted. I own the Billy Reid Bond Peacoat in Medium and I can barely get it on over a sweater.

This suede trucker is the type of jacket I would only wear over flannels.

 

[Canuck Panda]

Maybe exchange for the MJ22015

The one you have now is the boxy cut model with no sleeve cuffs, size 42 has like 24" P2P I think. The one above is the same classic type 3 cutting that Aero and others are cut. Size 44 is 23.5" P2P.

 

[WolfofStateSt]

Maybe exchange for the MJ22015
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The one you have now is the boxy cut model with no sleeve cuffs, size 42 has like 24" P2P I think. The one above is the same classic type 3 cutting that Aero and others are cut. Size 44 is 23.5" P2P.

Is P2P pit to pit? I’m a 42” circumference chest with a flannel on.

25” sleeve seam to wrist I believe

 

[Canuck Panda]

Is P2P pit to pit? I’m a 42” circumference chest with a flannel on.

25” sleeve seam to wrist I believe

Yes P2P is Pit to pit.

The 42 comes with 24.5" sleeves straight down, if anyone says its 25" or longer they're measuring around the curve. All the type 3 size 42 I have are like this length unless custom.

It's up to you, you can wear the 42 and it will be a bit shorter and 44 will be right length but a bit boxier. Both will still be better than the boxy fashion cut one you've got now which is even more expensive than the classic one I have no idea why.

 

[Aloysius]

I love my A2 and B3 so much I started to develop a brand loyalty for RMC, so I would need some more testimonials for the Aero brand to feel comfortable buying those jackets. Having never seen an Aero in person, I am curious if they would actually be better for me than a RMC cut.

The irony is that these are the last two jackets I would recommend someone go (current) RMC for, haha. The previous company, definitely.

 

[WolfofStateSt]

Yes P2P is Pit to pit.

The 42 comes with 24.5" sleeves straight down, if anyone says its 25" or longer they're measuring around the curve. All the type 3 size 42 I have are like this length unless custom.

It's up to you, you can wear the 42 and it will be a bit shorter and 44 will be right length but a bit boxier. Both will still be better than the boxy fashion cut one you've got now which is even more expensive than the classic one I have no idea why.

Good point. Are you recommending another RMC jacket here or the Aero?

 

[WolfofStateSt]

The irony is that these are the last two jackets I would recommend someone go (current) RMC for, haha. The previous company, definitely.

How so?

 

[Aloysius]

How so?

There's nothing wrong with them but they are relatively simple jackets offered by a number of quality makers. RMC doesn't specialize in these, as do Eastman, Buzz Rickson's, Good Wear, or indeed Aero [who focus on a more narrow subset of these military jackets]. The previous (defunct) iteration of RMC did have such a focus and was famed for its sheepskin jackets especially; that old factory continued as its own company when RMC went out of business, under the name The Few for a while. Other veterans of that RMC ended up as Freewheelers (the Joe McCoy team) and others.

RMC's civilian jackets are where they most come into their own, I feel. (Although even there I'd personally rather go Vanson or Aero for a Type III than RMC; I guess that would be one of the last three jackets I'd recommend from them.) They reproduce some things that no one else does, with excellent fit and finish on top of that. They have also in some cases gone back to revamp their offering to have an improved pattern, as they did with their J-24 repros.

Anyway, I bought a large Fisherman Sweater from them and this jackets fits better over that.

I'm sometimes critical of the TFL (myself included) tendency to wear things too trim, but if you can fit a fisherman's sweater under a Type III, it is beyond too big. It's a jacket type designed to wear over a t-shirt or at most a cotton shirt.

FWIW I also bought a leather Type III that's way too big, so I'm speaking from experience here. I had to wear it over a mackinaw vest.

Aero has an interesting history with these Levi's jackets. They were co-developed with Levi's headquarters based on the archival patterns and materials. Part of the deal was that Aero would be able to keep selling the LVC jackets, absent Levi's name, after the collaboration line ended. The Type III emerged from this as did a whole bunch of cool 1940s designs.

 

[WolfofStateSt]

There's nothing wrong with them but they are relatively simple jackets offered by a number of quality makers. RMC doesn't specialize in these, as do Eastman, Buzz Rickson's, Good Wear, or indeed Aero [who focus on a more narrow subset of these military jackets]. The previous (defunct) iteration of RMC did have such a focus and was famed for its sheepskin jackets especially; that old factory continued as its own company when RMC went out of business, under the name The Few for a while. Other veterans of that RMC ended up as Freewheelers (the Joe McCoy team) and others.

RMC's civilian jackets are where they most come into their own, I feel. (Although even there I'd personally rather go Vanson or Aero for a Type III than RMC; I guess that would be one of the last three jackets I'd recommend from them.) They reproduce some things that no one else does, with excellent fit and finish on top of that. They have also in some cases gone back to revamp their offering to have an improved pattern, as they did with their J-24 repros.



I'm sometimes critical of the TFL (myself included) tendency to wear things too trim, but if you can fit a fisherman's sweater under a Type III, it is beyond too big. It's a jacket type designed to wear over a t-shirt or at most a cotton shirt.

FWIW I also bought a leather Type III that's way too big, so I'm speaking from experience here. I had to wear it over a mackinaw vest.

Aero has an interesting history with these Levi's jackets. They were co-developed with Levi's headquarters based on the archival patterns and materials. Part of the deal was that Aero would be able to keep selling the LVC jackets, absent Levi's name, after the collaboration line ended. The Type III emerged from this as did a whole bunch of cool 1940s designs.

So it sounds like Aero is probably the way to go for a Rough Out Type III.

Not to get off topic, but I’m really curious to know what your top three McCoys Jackets are.

I hope I didn’t make a mistake getting RMC flight jackets instead of Eastmans.

FWIW, I was looking at the RMC Peacoat recently and got a Vintage WWII Peacoat instead for about a hundred bucks. Should be arriving soon. I had been wanting these jackets for so long I might have been over zealous going for RMC—but I heard they were the best leather money could buy from a few places.

 

[Canuck Panda]

Good point. Are you recommending another RMC jacket here or the Aero?

For your specific scenario, RMC. Because you’re returning a jacket to them, it’s easier to get an exchange than to get a refund and lose the duties and taxes. On the exchange jacket there usually isn’t any taxes if they declare the paperwork right, it’s just an exchange not a new sale.

For type 3 jackets, I have had them from Aero, Johnson, Y2 and couple others. I would say the most bang for the buck is actually Vanson right now, but you’ll have to add length. Best custom goes to Johnson because they can offer the most custom capabilities. Aero used to be the most bang for buck type 3 for me until they raised prices (a lot). Y2 is the best OTR option for the square shoulder cut (different than the others mentioned above, although Johnson also have this cut and so do High Large and few other Japanese brands, but they’re all less available than the Y2).

So for your specific situation, get an exchange from RMC. The classic one from them will fit you just fine. The fashion one you’ve got and return is just a trend, it won’t last once the oversized trend blows over.

 

[WolfofStateSt]

For your specific scenario, RMC. Because you’re returning a jacket to them, it’s easier to get an exchange than to get a refund and lose the duties and taxes. On the exchange jacket there usually isn’t any taxes if they declare the paperwork right, it’s just an exchange not a new sale.

For type 3 jackets, I have had them from Aero, Johnson, Y2 and couple others. I would say the most bang for the buck is actually Vanson right now, but you’ll have to add length. Best custom goes to Johnson because they can offer the most custom capabilities. Aero used to be the most bang for buck type 3 for me until they raised prices (a lot). Y2 is the best OTR option for the square shoulder cut (different than the others mentioned above, although Johnson also have this cut and so do High Large and few other Japanese brands, but they’re all less available than the Y2).

So for your specific situation, get an exchange from RMC. The classic one from them will fit you just fine. The fashion one you’ve got and return is just a trend, it won’t last once the oversized trend blows over.

Yeah I prefer classics to trends.

 

[Aloysius]

For your specific scenario, RMC. Because you’re returning a jacket to them, it’s easier to get an exchange than to get a refund and lose the duties and taxes. On the exchange jacket there usually isn’t any taxes if they declare the paperwork right, it’s just an exchange not a new sale.

For type 3 jackets, I have had them from Aero, Johnson, Y2 and couple others. I would say the most bang for the buck is actually Vanson right now, but you’ll have to add length. Best custom goes to Johnson because they can offer the most custom capabilities. Aero used to be the most bang for buck type 3 for me until they raised prices (a lot). Y2 is the best OTR option for the square shoulder cut (different than the others mentioned above, although Johnson also have this cut and so do High Large and few other Japanese brands, but they’re all less available than the Y2).

So for your specific situation, get an exchange from RMC. The classic one from them will fit you just fine. The fashion one you’ve got and return is just a trend, it won’t last once the oversized trend blows over.

Maybe this is a Canada thing because returning something from the US to a reputable British seller gets you your customs and such refunded too. Indeed the shippers usually handle that for the vendor.

 

[newtojackets]

As others have said- way too big. Shoulders are too wide, jacket is too long and the sleeve width is way too much (an issue I have rarely seen in Japanese jackets). At least 2 sizes down- I would see if you can try on sizes before buying