It’s H&M man! H&M!!! And not to overhype it but....I think it might be the best jacket ever made in the history of humankind.With the possible exception of @ton312 's Zara jacket
It’s H&M man! H&M!!! And not to overhype it but....I think it might be the best jacket ever made in the history of humankind.With the possible exception of @ton312 's Zara jacket
You're using hyped and flawed interchangeably but those are two different things imo.
hyped
Promote or publicize (a product or idea) intensively, often exaggerating its benefits.
Flawed
Having or characterized by a fundamental weakness or imperfection.
You explained how all the makers you name are flawed in one way or the other. And I think it's fair to say they are.
But to what extent are benefits being exaggerated and by whom?
Who is exaggerating Aero's or Vanson's benefits? Or Field Leathers'? You don't provide any arguments other than saying that they're flawed.
Who is exaggerating Himel's benefits? Dave Himel himself.
https://www.thefedoralounge.com/thr...kets-are-overhyped.103390/page-2#post-2777245
Therefore I say Himel is hyped
I actually don't think that Himel hyping himself up makes his jackets hyped. Hype mostly comes from others. Fine Creek for example is hyped by people on Style Forum and by Self Edge. Even if Fine Creek were to brag about what they do, I would not say that the hype behind the brand comes from the brand itself. Brands and makers can claim whatever they want, it doesn't become true hype in the way we use it until OTHER people talk them up.
A perfect example of this is Bill Kelso. Andy would brag and talk smack more than any other jacket maker I have ever seen. He made Dave Himel look like a saint in comparison. He was that awful. However, a lot of people on here could not stand him for that and as a result, BK was not really hyped up that much on the forum.
Obviously, this is my view on the term 'hype,' but I think that it doesn't really become hype until customers or potential customers start hyping things up.
In that sense, Vanson and especially Aero are hyped on here as are a huge amount of brands.
You could even argue that I added to Field Leathers' hype simply by interviewing him as he was getting bigger. More coverage is a form of hype as well. Again, this is just my view on it.
@Seb Lucas that's why I don't even own a watch. I already spend way too much time and money on clothing. I need to avoid watches at all cost.
Yep - hype comes in many forms. We're using the word with cavalier impression. Hype can mean marketing bullshit (which I generally ignore) or it come from spontaneous appreciation by customers. It can be insincere and undeserved, or a genuine refection of a product's capacity to satisfy a market. Hype is generally used as a pejorative.
You're using hyped and flawed interchangeably but those are two different things imo.
hyped
Promote or publicize (a product or idea) intensively, often exaggerating its benefits.
Flawed
Having or characterized by a fundamental weakness or imperfection.
You explained how all the makers you name are flawed in one way or the other. And I think it's fair to say they are.
But to what extent are benefits being exaggerated and by whom?
Who is exaggerating Aero's or Vanson's benefits? Or Field Leathers'? You don't provide any arguments other than saying that they're flawed.
Who is exaggerating Himel's benefits? Dave Himel himself.
https://www.thefedoralounge.com/thr...kets-are-overhyped.103390/page-2#post-2777245
Therefore I say Himel is hyped
Respectfully @Marc mndt , you are being disingenuous. You have hyped the living daylights out of FL. The FL thread is a circle-jerk of hype. Nothing wrong with that, but to suggest that the brands I mentioned have not been hyped is unpersuasive.
We disagree and that's OK. Sure, I've written a very positive review on my FL jacket and the process of making it. But I dont think I've been exaggerating the positives. Yes I've named the positives, but I also said that I dislike all but one of their leather offerings. I also mentioned more than once that there are pattern issues that need to be solved. Maybe you missed those comments but they can be found in the circle-jerk thread.
Maybe my writing style comes across to you as 'hyping', I don't know. I certainly do my best to write reviews that are a pleasant read. But I personally don't think that I've been exaggerating FL's positives.
On the other hand, the following post is quite common: "I just received my $1,200 jacket from vendor y, it is a work of art, and the owner of vendor y walks on water."
I didn't find any of the comments in the FL thread unjustifiably hype-ish.
Photos alone uploaded by owners of FL jackets prove that what Greg does is absolutely outstanding by any definition we agree on would constitute as desirable trait in a leather jacket.
Yes, I have seen this in other hobbies - mainly artisan type of products. A lot of people do not know what they are buying - it is often easier to buy what is hyped than look at it critically to get a proper understanding (the fear of missing out likely plays a large factor as well). And once they buy said expensive item they will make it look exponentially better than it is, and quite often even better then they perceive - or don't really perceive in any case.
We’ve all forgotten the ultimate hype. Horsehide itself.
....runs out of room.
This is the best comment in this thread!!