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Is a Dobbs edge the same as a Guild edge?
I would wager to guess it was another of the names they used for the Cavanagh edge. Cool big little hatIs a Dobbs edge the same as a Guild edge?
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Just checked all my Borsalinos. Looks like the difference is the words that say, Reg. US Patent Office.
Wonder why they have to put that annotation there if built in Italy?
Yeah, this one may be going to be going back to the seller for a refund.
As they say, “When it’s to good to be true, it usually is.”
I’ll let y’all know how it works out.
That is too bad. Glad it did get sorted ahead of time though.The Borsa turned out to be a size 7 American. Guess a few of us here got a little bit more education through this incident.
My nephew got a refund before the hat was shipped.
Back on the hunt.
Good get Daniel.Here’s a nice Cavanagh some of you might have seen on OFAS, it’s not quite as fine as the one Alan showed a while back, but for $46 it is certainly very fine.
pics from the seller.
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I have to learn how to do this bash....very cool!Here’s a nice Cavanagh some of you might have seen on OFAS, it’s not quite as fine as the one Alan showed a while back, but for $46 it is certainly very fine.
pics from the seller.
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Buena, Daniel!Here’s a nice Cavanagh some of you might have seen on OFAS, it’s not quite as fine as the one Alan showed a while back, but for $46 it is certainly very fine.
pics from the seller.
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Sorry Max, it is from the Fifties if not a bit later.1930s or 40s
Sorry Max, it is from the Fifties if not a bit later.
I saw very, very few Borsalino "Colombo" made before the war...
Here you go. This is what the data shows us (this far):
borsalino cell type symmetrical 1900 - 1910
borsalino cell type long 1910 - 1920
borsalino cell type long 1920 - 1936
borsalino sideways 1936 - 1953
borsalino cerrated sheet (one or no straight sides) 1954 - 1960
borsalino cerrated roll (straight sides) 1961 - 1965
borsalino rounded with colour name 1966 - 1975
dated labels (recognizable by the use of the hyphen between the first two and the rest of the digits. 1976 -1982
borsalino elongated no colour name 1983 - 2019
The older the hats, the less sure we are.
Daniele,
I understand that Colombo was only made between the 30s and 50s. Was I misinformed? And the serrated edge and the Borsalino on the side is supposed to be pre-war. Or am I once again misinformed?
Adrian
After looking through the entire Borsalino Brotherhood thread I found that there are two Celled Paper Label types.
Type 1 (Sweatband Date Stamped 05/17/1929)
Type 2 (No Date)
Type 2 is slightly longer and less wide than Type 1. The Type 2 cell size and alignment are also different. The Type 2 dimensions are more similar to later non celled paper labels. Sometime during the 1930s the Celled Paper Labels were dropped. I am not sure how far back the Celled Paper Labels go. If you have a different variation of the Celled Paper Label format please let me know.
The following are the Celled Paper Label Borsalinos I found in the Borsalino Brotherhood. Unfortunately some of the photos are lacking in quality. We can update this thread as more become available.
Echter Borsalino "Fico" "Lama", French Size Point 6, date stamped May 18, 1929, German Market.
(Type 1, Date Stamped 05/18/29)
Echter Borsalino "Bismuto" "Sanboca", French Size Point 6 1/2, date stamped May 17, 1929, German Market.
(Type 1, Date Stamped 05/17/29)
Daniele,
I understand that Colombo was only made between the 30s and 50s. Was I misinformed? And the serrated edge and the Borsalino on the side is supposed to be pre-war. Or am I once again misinformed?
Adrian
Stefan’s data points on the label types are a great tool for off hand estimates and a good starting point. I think Daniele is pointing out they may not be absolutesThis is a summary of Stefan’s findings. Somewhere on the Borsa Bro thread I think he has all the images. I tried looking without success:
Pics?Sorry to temporarily break into the Borsalino dating discussion, but I Snagged this sweet pre-war Dobbs today!
And CHEAP!
https://www.ebay.com/itm/313616693995
And thanks to the hard work done by The hat professor I can get a decent approximation of its year of birth.
Hope the Borsa business gets settled some day. For me, it seems reading old threads on the subject, many times, leads to confusion.
Probably going to be proved wrong, but one thing I can possibly add to any dating discussion is this:
Super close vertical sweatband to reed material stitching (a stitch every 32nd inch, or so) on a Reeded, or many times un-reeded sweatbands is a dependable indication that a hat is very old (‘30s or earlier) on most any hat brand.
And usually, the wider apart they are the newer it is. Sweatband Stitching seemed to get wider every decade. [Same with the binding stitches of many brands]
Also, other than English and French makes, if the stitching on reeded sweats used zig zag stitching to sew the leather to the sweat usually proves the hat to be of a newer, less desirable vintage.
And yes, to this, there are exceptions. Just about every hat fact has exceptions.
That’s my two cents. You can use it, or throw it out, or throw it on the ever growing pile of ambiguous, or incorrect assumptions.