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Does anyone know any hats exactly or close to this one?

Not-Bogart13

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Looks to be your basic Porkpie style. A search for "Porkpie Hat" should bring you many options on the web. It's currently an easy type to find.
 

MisterGrey

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How does one define a porkpie around here? If you are taking about an ovoid shaped hat with a flat top and a ridge running around it, then it's definitely not a porkpie; I own the film and can tell you that the top of the hat is blocked with a kind of teardrop/diamond shape.

Interesting story unrelated to the hat type: Al Pacino's character in the film, Lefty, is an amalgamation of two real-life Bonnano gangsters in the 1970s/80s, Benjamin Ruggerio and Sonny "Black" Napolitano. Joe Pistone, the FBI agent who posed as "Donnie Brasco" and the gentleman who is the topic of the film, said in a making-of feature on the DVD that neither man habitually wore a hat. However, Al Pacino felt that wearing a hat would cause people to recall him wearing a homburg in his role in "The Godfather" and add legitimacy to his performance, while also causing viewers to subconsciously contrast the elegant Michael with the slovenly failure Lefty.
 

Dinerman

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It's definitely a porkpie. One, probably hand creased, in a slightly teardrop shape, though they were blocked this way back in the day. Pinched in the front, brim up, but still a porkpie. I've seen the style referred to in old ads as a tele-pinch.

Something like this pinch front porkpie.
IMG_0376.jpg
 

MisterGrey

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Yup, that's the kind of blocking Pacino has in the film, though his is so battered that oftentimes the inside of the diamond is smashed down against his head. But that is the hat he has.

For my own education, what qualifies a porkpie as definitely a porkpie and a fedora as definitely a fedora?
 

Dinerman

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This is kind of hard to put into words, but I'll give it a go:

On a porkpie, the crown is shorter, and there's a ridge all the way around the top, that is, the center popped up sectionfollows the depression made by the crease the entire way around the top of the crown.

Take a look at these, all porkpies, but all with variations on the crown shaping.
http://www.hatsinthebelfry.com/product/wool-porkpie-belfry-jazz-hibdc1.html
http://www.hatsinthebelfry.com/Merc...ie-belfry-be-bop-hitbstingypkpi_black-cat.jpg
http://www.hatsinthebelfry.com/product/velour-porkpie-makins-harvey-JJ331.html

A c-crown/teardrop creased fedora can also have a popped up center dome, but it's not level with the top of the hat, and doesn't go all the way around.

http://www.villagehatshop.com/jaxon-crushable-c-crown-fedora.html

I think for the most part, the hats I linked to are wool felts, so I can't really recommend them, but they work for demonstration purposes.
 

Wolfmanjack

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Wolfmanjack's Field Guide to Hats

;) The principal identification keys for the species porkpie hat (Crustum cuppedia) are:
(1.) a very low cylinder-shaped crown, with little or no taper (may be pinched in front), and​
(2.) a narrow or stingy brim, generally less than 2 inches.​
 

carter

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Dinerman said:
It's definitely a porkpie. One, probably hand creased, in a slightly teardrop shape, though they were blocked this way back in the day. Pinched in the front, brim up, but still a porkpie. I've seen the style referred to in old ads as a tele-pinch.

Something like this pinch front porkpie.
IMG_0376.jpg

I have a Mallory long oval, stingy brim, wide ribbon, backbow that looks like these.
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reetpleat

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I would have to agree with some of the above. To compare pork pies to fedoras is comparing apples to oranges. A pork pie can be made from a fedora. Pork pie is the style of the crown, so I guess it would no longer be called a fedora, but most pork pies are either made by hand or by mechanical means, simply taking the crown down and up again and doing a little stretching to make it right. However, by the fifties, some hats were made in a specific way to be a flat top, culminating in the rare style that is square and flat on top, something like a top hat. often this style had a wide ribbon with a tall narrow bow in the back. This would be a special felt. but any fedora could be made into a pork pie, and if you take the pork pie and pinch the front and do a little hand manipulating with steam or when wet, you would have a ht like Pachino wears. I would also say that a pork pie can be any brim width. The style was popular in the late forties early fifties and sixties, so they often have narrow brims. But back in the twenties they were popular with a wide brim, often flipped up very steeply in the front for a wise guy or college look.
 

sts48don

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There was a post some time ago in which a person was interested in finding a hat like the one wore by Al Pacino in the Movie, "Donnie Brasco". There were different opinions and none were correct. Here is the correct information. The hat Pacino wore was a "Brixton Fedora Stout Hat." Your opinions to me is invited by emailing me at sts48don@verizon.net and my name is Don. Thank you.
 

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