Burned on Ebay

[wild_balls]

By the way, I have seen this UK LEATHER LABEL in a Real McCoys B3 jacket also! I think it was on the forum somewhere. Just read someone stating this as a Ralph Lauren jacket trying to be a Real McCoy . This is becoming a sandpit discussion. I don’t think no one on this forum is trying to rip another one off. It is a VERY nice jacket, end of discussion!

 

[ProteinNerd]

It's a flea market and flea market is always a gamble where granted, you can sometimes find great stuff and great deals but please, people, don't forget it's still a flea market.

However at a flea market you can inspect the goods and the missing stitching would have been obvious.

You are supposed to provide an accurate description on eBay, omitting important details is deceptive and buyers shouldn’t be penalised and stuck with something they would never have purchased if they saw it in person first.

I highly doubt eBay’s mission statement is to provide the worlds biggest lottery in used goods.....that’s why they always side with the buyers in disputes.

 

[Technonut]

Dear Mr Techno, you appear fair saying "eBay is more or less forcing sellers to accept returns (within 14 days IIRC) no matter the reason". But your next quote I personally think this is very bad practice, deciding to "change your mind". I would immediately put that bidder on my blocked bidder list especially as I could not leave negative feedback as a waste of time buyer.

I did post that I had a damn good reason to change my mind as well... Frankly, you have no idea why I changed my mind, or the circumstances surrounding it, and I could care less what you or anyone else thinks is very bad practice. I've been selling / buying on the Bay for 18 years now, and have a good feel for when I should pull-out and change my mind on a transaction, and did so in this case. BTW, because of the circumstances, I would NEVER deal with that particular seller again, so it wouldn't hurt my feelings to end up on their blocked bidder list..

 

[pak]

Once you confirm the maker is RM, Great Leather can fix it thus adding back value. Not the right size is a tough fix.

 

[slightseconds]

Thanks for your input Joakim. It strikes me as very odd that a jacket manufactured in Japan would have a label that says made in the UK just because the leather is sourced from there. If Aero leather, for example, included a label saying 'made in Italy' on an A2 jacket just because the Vicenza leather was sourced in Italy it wouldn't make any sense.

Also, if the seams were already broken when you bought the jacket over 10 years ago, well, Real McCoy's as far as I know has only been around for 20 years, and this would mean the seams had lasted for 10 years at the most. I would expect the seams on a Real McCoy's jacket to last much longer than that. And it's not as if they've disintegrated in just one place either.

 

[Sloan1874]

From all that I've read, this jacket's provenance is at best unclear, at worst highly dubious.
The 'Made in UK' tag is very strange and compounds the missing stitch issue. Regarding this, I have an Aero A-2 from the mid-80s that's had obviously the hell kicked out of it over the years, not least by me for the past six, and it's stitching is completely intact and shows no sign of deteriorating. The idea that a jacket from RMC, known for their top-notch construction and materials, is starting to deteriorate in the manner this one has, makes me even more suspicious.

 

[bn1966]

Is it isn't it RM? Suspense is killing me..where's the choc ices? Got through all the pop-corn

 

[l0fielectronic]

I love a good mystery so I did a search. All I came up with though was the original thread where Joakim received the jacket and too was slighlty confused by this label, also mentions the B3 with a similar label...

http://www.thefedoralounge.com/threads/real-mccoy-rough-wear-a2-made-in-uk.70574/

It does look a high end/very nice jacket from the photos shown to me, but I'm no expert. I have seen more than one complaint on forums previously of the thread/stiching in RMC jeans 'disintegrating' in not that long a time as far as that goes.

If I were returning it I would just state it wasn't as described and perhaps mention concerns about autenticity in closing. Holes in pockets not mentioned in a listing should be enough.

 

[wild_balls]

I have a another well known Dubow RMNZ A2 that two well respected members of this forum were owners of before me! It has the worn stitching in some places also. It comes to how often and how hard you wear it of course. I guess the opinion would be of another kind if all of you involved in this thread could hold and feel this jacket.

 

[handymike]

I wonder, @slightseconds are you a re-seller?

 

[slightseconds]

@handymike if you mean do I buy jackets just to sell on the answer is no, if you look at my ebay feedback I've never sold a jacket. I have an A2 and an A1 from Aero and a shawl collar Thedi on order.

 

[handymike]

Just asking.
It's one thing to ask the collective if the jacket is legit. Quite another to bring the transaction into public scrutiny. As a member that doesn't post often, I start to question motive. Probably just my cynical nature.

 

[slightseconds]

I'm probably being dense but what kind of motive do you think I might have aside from finding out whether I just lost a lot of money from buying a fake jacket that wasn't properly described?

 

[ton312]

Just asking.
It's one thing to ask the collective if the jacket is legit. Quite another to bring the transaction into public scrutiny. As a member that doesn't post often, I start to question motive. Probably just my cynical nature.

Couldn't agree more. This place is fine for questioning provenance and searching for answers but the added details of a sour eBay transaction are suspect to me as well. Particularly when the buyer can easily just return it with no communication necessary between him and the seller. The blown out stitches should have been mentioned. Lesson learned by the seller, who may have felt the greatly reduced price afforded him some leverage with description, but I think it's certainly worth mentioning.
Return the jacket. @wild_balls re-list it with full disclosure (it will sell). The truth is, eBay will always side with the buyer on a return, unless the buyer damages the item before it's returned. This just happened to me and eBay quickly resolved the issue in my favor (as a seller).

 

[ton312]

I'm probably being dense but what kind of motive do you think I might have aside from finding out whether I just lost a lot of money from buying a fake jacket that wasn't properly described?

I think mentioning the ill fit was a mistake. That's precisely the motive that drove the buyer of my Vanson to shred one sleeve with a chainsaw when they couldn't find a legitimate reason to return the jacket. All the fool had to do was send it back and the $ was already his as soon as the PO marked it delivered.
Since the seller has already mentioned and acknowledged the damage as being present but not disclosed at the time of sale you simply need to log into eBay, click on return an item and follow the prompts. Case closed.

 

[bn1966]

Threads kept me amused on an otherwise boring Sunday thanks Guys...

 

[ProteinNerd]

Threads kept me amused on an otherwise boring Sunday thanks Guys...

It’s all fun and games until it’s you that bought the dodgy jacket [emoji6]

 

[rocketeer]

I did post that I had a damn good reason to change my mind as well... Frankly, you have no idea why I changed my mind, or the circumstances surrounding it, and I could care less what you or anyone else thinks is very bad practice. I've been selling / buying on the Bay for 18 years now, and have a good feel for when I should pull-out and change my mind on a transaction, and did so in this case. BTW, because of the circumstances, I would NEVER deal with that particular seller again, so it wouldn't hurt my feelings to end up on their blocked bidder list..

Fair comment I suppose, we don't know your circumstances, but then how would you feel if I had bid on one of your items and then 'Changed my mind'? And yes I would expect to end on your sellers blocked bidder list as well even if I did have a valid reason.
I have also bought and sold on eBay for nearly as long, from the good old days when it was a lot fairer on sellers who could leave negative feedback to the genuine numbnuts buyers and still sell today, just not with as much enthusiasm. I have heard all the sob stories and ill fitting woes of buyers just trying to get the price down, just how do we know what is real and what isn't. I have had buyers say the crash helmet was too small but still wanted to keep it if I would refund their postage???! To the 'Little girl' that bought her mummy a half bottle of expensive perfume with her mothers credit card as a 'surprise'. For sellers of secondhand items it is a bit of a minefield as one mans mint condition is another's average when viewed using pictures only.

 

[slightseconds]

@ton312, you say that mentioning the ill fit was a mistake. But actually, if you think about it, if I had some kind of 'suspect' motive then I wouldn't have mentioned that would I? But I did mention it, for the sake of being completely honest and because it's irrelevant to whether the jacket was A) not described properly or B)authentic. It sounds like you've had a bad experience with a buyer (who chainsawed a jacket you sold him) and decided to tar me with the same brush. You also skipped over the issue that the jacket is quite possibly not authentic. And you got the seller wrong. It wasn't wild_balls.

Anyway, I'll request a return for the jacket because:

1) I dont' believe it's authentic:

label says made in UK
Real McCoy's themselves tell me they've never made jackets in the UK
the existence of another jacket with a real mccoys label and made in uk label doesn't provide evidence one way or the other, it may just be another fake

2) the stitching problems are:

a) not mentioned in description
b) not clear in photos
c) a fault that should have been mentioned

 

[ton312]

@ton312, you say that mentioning the ill fit was a mistake. But actually, if you think about it, if I had some kind of 'suspect' motive then I wouldn't have mentioned that would I? But I did mention it, for the sake of being completely honest and because it's irrelevant to whether the jacket was A) not described properly or B)authentic. It sounds like you've had a bad experience with a buyer (who chainsawed a jacket you sold him) and decided to tar me with the same brush. You also skipped over the issue that the jacket is quite possibly not authentic. And you got the seller wrong. It wasn't wild_balls.

Anyway, I'll request a return for the jacket because:

1) I dont' believe it's authentic:

label says made in UK
Real McCoy's themselves tell me they've never made jackets in the UK
the existence of another jacket with a real mccoys label and made in uk label doesn't provide evidence one way or the other, it may just be another fake

2) the stitching problems are:

a) not mentioned in description
b) not clear in photos
c) a fault that should have been mentioned

Without question you'll get your refund. Just send it back in the same way you received it. As soon as the delivery tracking system marks it delivered the funds are instantly back in your account.