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I've got 3, 1 in duty on a campaign hat, 1 gets rotated between some vintage 7 1/2's that need coaxing to maintain my Long Oval head shape & 1 in the box to give to a friend as Christmas present. They are good for maintaining a stretch. I have a vintage stretcher for getting hats larger & more oval because it goes way above just the sweatband. These are good enough to put pressure on the sweat to give a little stretch & train a sweat to the shape. HTH.Chinaski said:gtdean, that might be the ticket - have you used one like this? If so did it do the job? The price is certainly right!