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[suitedcboy]

I feel the same pain Soupman. They could have used all the Bear Bryant houndstooth plaid ones that they could find.

 

[The Shoe]

Akubra fans... @johnnycanuck are you there?
I suspect this hat, going for about $35, with seemingly no one interested is a Snowy River. What say you?
No vents & plaited leather band (slightly different to the brand new Snowy River)

Unlined.

 

[johnnycanuck]

View attachment 272421 Akubra fans... @johnnycanuck are you there?
I suspect this hat, going for about $35, with seemingly no one interested is a Snowy River. What say you?
No vents & plaited leather band (slightly different to the brand new Snowy River)
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Unlined.
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Yes an older snowy River. I have one new from 2002-2003 ish and it has a newer band then that one. So very nice hat pre 2000. You used to be able to buy Akubra hats that people bought on vacation, threw in the closet when they got home, Forgot about, found, then listed on e-bay for a few bucks. This looks like a prime example of just that. A little moisturizer on the sweat band. Get it wet to re shape it. It will be good as new. Just be aware, a hat that old may have shrunk so you may need to give it a bit of stretching to get it back to a 60.
Johnny

 

[The Shoe]

Yes an older snowy River. I have one new from 2002-2003 ish and it has a newer band then that one. So very nice hat pre 2000. You used to be able to buy Akubra hats that people bought on vacation, threw in the closet when they got home, Forgot about, found, then listed on e-bay for a few bucks. This looks like a prime example of just that. A little moisturizer on the sweat band. Get it wet to re shape it. It will be good as new. Just be aware, a hat that old may have shrunk so you may need to give it a bit of stretching to get it back to a 60.
Johnny

Thanks, Johnny.

 

[johnnycanuck]

Thanks, Johnny.

Let us know if you manage to get it. My Snowy River has been a go to hat for years.

 

[1967Cougar390]

View attachment 272421 Akubra fans... @johnnycanuck are you there?
I suspect this hat, going for about $35, with seemingly no one interested is a Snowy River. What say you?
No vents & plaited leather band (slightly different to the brand new Snowy River)
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Unlined.
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Well worth $35. It looks relatively unworn.

Steven

 

[Silver-Wolf]

Hmmm,
Just saw a beautiful supposedly 1920's Borsalino bowler for sale that looks brand new. Man so beautiful, has me thinking about it and I don't like bowlers lol. Such a gorgeous gold pleated liner, how are Borsalino for sizing. This one is a size 7, think it'd be too small for my noggin anyways.

Sure does look purdy though!

 

[Lefty W.]

Hat vocabulary: I just watched a video on the YouTube "Gentleman's Gazette" channel, in which the host says the top of the hat is known as the "pinch," also known as the "crease."

starting at 1:32.

My understanding is that the "crease" is the pattern on the top of the crown, being a center dent, teardrop, diamond, etc., and the "pinches" are the dents on the sides, where you might literally "pinch" the crown with your thumb and forefinger (although some say handle by the brim, not the crown).

Is my understanding correct, or are the terms "crease" and "pinch" interchangeable?

 

[deadlyhandsome]

Hat vocabulary: I just watched a video on the YouTube "Gentleman's Gazette" channel, in which the host says the top of the hat is known as the "pinch," also known as the "crease."

starting at 1:32.

My understanding is that the "crease" is the pattern on the top of the crown, being a center dent, teardrop, diamond, etc., and the "pinches" are the dents on the sides, where you might literally "pinch" the crown with your thumb and forefinger (although some say handle by the brim, not the crown).

Is my understanding correct, or are the terms "crease" and "pinch" interchangeable?

You’re correct. The crease/bash/crown shape is not the same as the “pinch.” Pinches are the side dents on the crown.

I give these types of videos and websites a bit of leeway. They are not made for people who take their hats as serious as many of us here do. These primer videos and articles serve a purpose and hopefully get more men wearing hats, but they often contain small, or even large, errors.

 

[Silver-Wolf]

Hat vocabulary: I just watched a video on the YouTube "Gentleman's Gazette" channel, in which the host says the top of the hat is known as the "pinch," also known as the "crease."

starting at 1:32.

My understanding is that the "crease" is the pattern on the top of the crown, being a center dent, teardrop, diamond, etc., and the "pinches" are the dents on the sides, where you might literally "pinch" the crown with your thumb and forefinger (although some say handle by the brim, not the crown).

Is my understanding correct, or are the terms "crease" and "pinch" interchangeable?

You’re correct. The crease/bash/crown shape is not the same as the “pinch.” Pinches are the side dents on the crown.

I give these types of videos and websites a bit of leeway. They are not made for people who take their hats as serious as many of us here do. These primer videos and articles serve a purpose and hopefully get more men wearing hats, but they often contain small, or even large, errors.

FWIW I was brought up a crease and pinch were different, no doubt about it. Crease was upon the top of the crown a pinch or punch was sides of crown.
Bash was a more common term, normally meant the crease but could include the pinch as well but never included the brim (kind of describe the whole style you give the top & side of crown). I was always told a pinch was the sides and a punch was directly in-front (like the Bush tucker man wore if you know of him, that was a fanny punch if I remember the term correctly (please forgive my rude term but that was how I was told)

 

[Lefty W.]

I give these types of videos and websites a bit of leeway. They are not made for people who take their hats as serious as many of us here do. These primer videos and articles serve a purpose and hopefully get more men wearing hats, but they often contain small, or even large, errors.

DH, you are correct; these guys do give some good information, particularly in the other hat videos on their channel. The host's hat does look like it is about two sizes too small.

FWIW I was brought up a crease and pinch were different, no doubt about it. Crease was upon the top of the crown a pinch or punch was sides of crown.
Bash was a more common term, normally meant the crease but could include the pinch as well but never included the brim (kind of describe the whole style you give the top & side of crown). I was always told a pinch was the sides and a punch was directly in-front (like the Bush tucker man wore if you know of him, that was a fanny punch if I remember the term correctly (please forgive my rude term but that was how I was told)

Silver Wolf, I recall seeing the term "bash" when I first started reading posts on this forum, over 13 years ago. My take away at that time was that a "bash" was the shape given to a fedora or other type of dress hat, and a "crease" was the shape given to a western hat. Having lived all of my life in Texas, I was much more familiar with the "crease" charts shown in western stores, than the different bashes available on dress hats.

 

[Silver-Wolf]

"Bash" is a Australian Slang term with many meanings, some of them opposites of each other. We're a strange lot no doubt lol.

 

[deadlyhandsome]

DH, you are correct; these guys do give some good information, particularly in the other hat videos on their channel. The host's hat does look like it is about two sizes too small.



Silver Wolf, I recall seeing the term "bash" when I first started reading posts on this forum, over 13 years ago. My take away at that time was that a "bash" was the shape given to a fedora or other type of dress hat, and a "crease" was the shape given to a western hat. Having lived all of my life in Texas, I was much more familiar with the "crease" charts shown in western stores, than the different bashes available on dress hats.

I think “crease” and “bash” are used interchangeably. You will see westerns with factory branding as “Hand Creased,” but I think that has more to do with the nomenclature of the era more than some distinction from “bash.” I will say that most western felt takes more effort to shape and it doesn’t feel like you’re “bashing” the felt when working on the shape.

 

[Rmccamey]

I know nothing about Borsalino bowlers but based on my very limited experience, I have found many pre-war bowlers run 1 to 1/2 size smaller (U.S.) than they are labeled. As bowlers don't stretch like other hats, it might be helpful to get exact length and width dimensions from the seller.

Hmmm,
Just saw a beautiful supposedly 1920's Borsalino bowler for sale that looks brand new. Man so beautiful, has me thinking about it and I don't like bowlers lol. Such a gorgeous gold pleated liner, how are Borsalino for sizing. This one is a size 7, think it'd be too small for my noggin anyways.

Sure does look purdy though!

 

[Silver-Wolf]

I know nothing about Borsalino bowlers but based on my very limited experience, I have found many pre-war bowlers run 1 to 1/2 size smaller (U.S.) than they are labeled. As bowlers don't stretch like other hats, it might be helpful to get exact length and width dimensions from the seller.

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Thanks for the advice, I think I'll let it find another home. Bit small for me and with Christmas around the corner have enough spending to be done for now lol. Thank you for the info and confirming my thoughts...Still nice hat and gorgeous liner to say the least.

 

[Rmccamey]

Send me a PM if it is 1/8 or 1/4, I might be interested myself.

Thanks for the advice, I think I'll let it find another home. Bit small for me and with Christmas around the corner have enough spending to be done for now lol. Thank you for the info and confirming my thoughts...Still nice hat and gorgeous liner to say the least.

 

[Just A Hat Rack]

I think “crease” and “bash” are used interchangeably. You will see westerns with factory branding as “Hand Creased,” but I think that has more to do with the nomenclature of the era more than some distinction from “bash.” I will say that most western felt takes more effort to shape and it doesn’t feel like you’re “bashing” the felt when working on the shape.

I could be absolutely wrong here, but I was always under the impression that a "bash" was the overall look of the crown, which includes both the "crease" and the "pinch." When I hear the term "bash," I almost visualize someone taking their hand/fist to a hat and knocking the crown around to give it the look they want.

 

[deadlyhandsome]

I could be absolutely wrong here, but I was always under the impression that a "bash" was the overall look of the crown, which includes both the "crease" and the "pinch." When I hear the term "bash," I almost visualize someone taking their hand/fist to a hat and knocking the crown around to give it the look they want.

I’ve never heard both terms used regarding the same hat by a single author. I’ve never heard “I gave it a teardrop crease and the bash has deep side dents,” or anything along those lines. It seems to me that some people use “crease” and some people use “bash,” but it’s one or the other. I don’t use “bash” myself. I’ll use “crease” or “shape” interchangeably. I’ve also heard things like “diamond bash” and similar and those folks were referencing the top of the crown shape without regard to the side dents or the whole crown shape/style.

There could be a regional component to the usage too. It’s fascinating when we learn that we’ve been communicating for years but hold different meanings for the words we use.

 

[belfastboy]

I could be absolutely wrong here, but I was always under the impression that a "bash" was the overall look of the crown, which includes both the "crease" and the "pinch." When I hear the term "bash," I almost visualize someone taking their hand/fist to a hat and knocking the crown around to give it the look they want.

I like watching vintage films to view the hats and enjoy seeing how they are bashed. It seems to me that back in the day a man tended to grab a hat and plunk it on his head and the bash/crease/pinch were whatever happened to take place when he grabbed the and placed on his head. The one's I like are the ones that look decidedly off the cuff and not bashed with any care or style sense other than..."whatever"

 

[deadlyhandsome]

I like watching vintage films to view the hats and enjoy seeing how they are bashed. It seems to me that back in the day a man tended to grab a hat and plunk it on his head and the bash/crease/pinch were whatever happened to take place when he grabbed the and placed on his head. The one's I like are the ones that look decidedly off the cuff and not bashed with any care or style sense other than..."whatever"

Why is it that I really like the organic haphazard shapes but when it comes time to shape my own I get fussy?