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[GamaH]

You can have taper in both the front and back, and sides of a hat's shape.

Ah, I think I get it now.

On a side note... This thread referenced something about the "COW connection," with regard to crown taper (I was google-ing for information earlier, when I came across it). What does that mean? I'm pretty sure it's got nothing to do with bovines.

http://www.thefedoralounge.com/show...-Italian-Style&p=548753&viewfull=1#post548753

 

[jlee562]

Ah, I think I get it now.

On a side note... This thread referenced something about the "COW connection," with regard to crown taper (I was google-ing for information earlier, when I came across it). What does that mean? I'm pretty sure it's got nothing to do with bovines.

http://www.thefedoralounge.com/show...-Italian-Style&p=548753&viewfull=1#post548753

COW is the initialism for Club Obi Wan, a forum dedicated to Indiana Jones gear/film/prop discussion, including a section on his fedora. Some folks cross post between here and there.

 

[GamaH]

I see, many thanks.

 

[jlee562]

I own a Sunbody fine palm pressed fedora. Is the fine palm very different than a Milan straw for texture, build and comfort? I have been looking at photos on the different hat vendor sites and the construction looks similar.

Do you wish to compare a real straw Milan, or a Shangtung Milan? Two very different animals.

 

[GamaH]

What kind of crease is this?

 

[bowlerman]

Top view would help with that one, but if the top crease goes straight back it's a "center dent" (center crease front to back with front dents, not too tight of a pinch). If there's a half circle or extra corners in the back, it could conceivably be a teardrop, C-crown, or diamond crease, but from this view I'm guessing there's no telescoped or raised portion in the middle?

 

[bowlerman]

Do you wish to compare a real straw Milan, or a Shangtung Milan? Two very different animals.

Shantung (Milan or otherwise) is synthetic, or paper, isn't it? I have a palm straw by Atwood and it is very stiff. I don't have any Shantungs, and a few basically entry level Panamas. My genuine Milans are easily the best, shadiest, and coolest. Is this what you're getting after, Duper?

 

[GamaH]

Top view would help with that one, but if the top crease goes straight back it's a "center dent" (center crease front to back with front dents, not too tight of a pinch). If there's a half circle or extra corners in the back, it could conceivably be a teardrop, C-crown, or diamond crease, but from this view I'm guessing there's no telescoped or raised portion in the middle?

It's a Stetson Benchley; I googled it, and got an image for this:

Is that C or Teardrop? (I can never really tell the difference).

 

[jlee562]

Shantung (Milan or otherwise) is synthetic, or paper, isn't it? I have a palm straw by Atwood and it is very stiff. I don't have any Shantungs, and a few basically entry level Panamas. My genuine Milans are easily the best, shadiest, and coolest. Is this what you're getting after, Duper?

My understanding is that it is a plastic coated paper. I have one Shangtung Milan, one vintage straw Milan and one modern straw Milan. The straw Milans are much more pliable, and they seem to me to have a bit better airflow. Though I haven't had a good comparison between them, as I've worn my Shangtung in Arizona (dry heat), my vintage straw Milan in Hawaii (humid heat), and my Black Sheep Milan here in SF (heat? What heat?!).

 

[VetPsychWars]

It's a Stetson Benchley; I googled it, and got an image for this:

Is that C or Teardrop? (I can never really tell the difference).

I consider that to be more teardrop, personally.

I happen to like that crease, I wonder if you can buy that block anywhere?

Tom

 

[inkyhands]

Folks:
Normally I am an Akubra guy. I currently own 3(Stylemaster, Campdraft, old, old Bushmen)However, I ran across a Stetson on eBay the other day that was in my size, had not been bid up to a large sum, and I decided to put in a bid. I got the hat, have paid for it, and am awaiting delivery. However, I am curious about what sort of catch I have made. The hat was listed as:Vintage Royal Stetson fedora size 7 5/8. Gray in good vtg condition. Anyone that can comment on this hat? I got it for $44.00 + shipping of $10.00, so it wasn't a major expense. But I don't know anything about it. Any help appreciated.
Inkyhands

 

[Duper]

My understanding is that it is a plastic coated paper. I have one Shangtung Milan, one vintage straw Milan and one modern straw Milan. The straw Milans are much more pliable, and they seem to me to have a bit better airflow. Though I haven't had a good comparison between them, as I've worn my Shangtung in Arizona (dry heat), my vintage straw Milan in Hawaii (humid heat), and my Black Sheep Milan here in SF (heat? What heat?!).

Thanks jlee562 and bowlerman. This deciding on a new summer lid is tough. I wanted to try something different in a shantung or Milan but have never actually seen one of any quality that I can recall. I like my Sunbody, but it is also a very stiff hat. I saw a Milan fedora on the Miller Hats website but it would be near $170 by the time they shipped to me here in Canada. Me thinks I will head for Panama Bob's website while I ponder this some more. [huh]

 

[jlee562]

Thanks jlee562 and bowlerman. This deciding on a new summer lid is tough. I wanted to try something different in a shantung or Milan but have never actually seen one of any quality that I can recall. I like my Sunbody, but it is also a very stiff hat. I saw a Milan fedora on the Miller Hats website but it would be near $170 by the time they shipped to me here in Canada. Me thinks I will head for Panama Bob's website while I ponder this some more. [huh]

The upside to a Shangtung hat is that they're a bit more water resistant. Though now that I have a natural straw Milan, I do much prefer the look of natural straw. Looks like Miller is using a hemp braid, which I suspect must be a pretty durable fiber.

 

[jlee562]

Folks:
Normally I am an Akubra guy. I currently own 3(Stylemaster, Campdraft, old, old Bushmen)However, I ran across a Stetson on eBay the other day that was in my size, had not been bid up to a large sum, and I decided to put in a bid. I got the hat, have paid for it, and am awaiting delivery. However, I am curious about what sort of catch I have made. The hat was listed as:Vintage Royal Stetson fedora size 7 5/8. Gray in good vtg condition. Anyone that can comment on this hat? I got it for $44.00 + shipping of $10.00, so it wasn't a major expense. But I don't know anything about it. Any help appreciated.
Inkyhands

Post a link to the auction so folks can take a look at the liner, tags, sweatband, etc, to help determine a date.

 

[the dude79]

Wow, this is a beautiful piece! Where did you get it and where can I get one? Is this grey?

 

[inkyhands]

Here is a link, though there is little to see. No interior shots, so no sweatband, tags, or liner.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/280819679153?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649

 

[Benzadmiral]

Here is a link, though there is little to see. No interior shots, so no sweatband, tags, or liner.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/280819679153?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649

From my limited knowledge, it does look like the stingy-brim style of the late '50s and early '60s for sure.

 

[Salty O'Rourke]

Here is a link, though there is little to see. No interior shots, so no sweatband, tags, or liner.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/280819679153?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649

Pretty sure a lounger listed that.

 

[zetwal]

What does "mid-oval" mean?

 

[jlee562]

What does "mid-oval" mean?

You know, my 50's OR is marked as "Mid-Oval" and it fits like a regular oval to me, I think the terms are interchangeable. Although someone can feel free to correct me.