what I said was more common. And as for Hillary etc pay a visit to the site and check it out.Eh ? There is nothing unusual in a made in England label. Hilllary was a Kiwi, what's that got to do with anything ?
what I said was more common. And as for Hillary etc pay a visit to the site and check it out.Eh ? There is nothing unusual in a made in England label. Hilllary was a Kiwi, what's that got to do with anything ?
Plumbline, I wasn't referring to any previous issues any jacket maker may have had and I certainly wasn't targeting you so chill out. I'm aware that a brand may want their own label on clothing, that's fine. I'm a person of Celtic origin and I hate to see Celtic nations lumped in with England. Simple as that.
Merkat
Saeson in Welsh is the same as Sassanach. It was just Saxon in those languages, it came to be applied to the English as a nation later. In Scotland it meant lowland Scots at first. Although that is an oxymoron really.
The term Celtic nations is an historical and linguistic one in reality. The influence of the Celts on language and culture far exceeded the actual number of ethnic Celts who settled on the western fringes of Europe in the bronze age.
The majority in the country we now know as Scotland is probably of Danish and Anglo Saxon origin BTW. The Scots under Kenneth Macalpin established the kingdom of Alba when the Northern Pics were wiped out by the Norwegians, and then took advantage of the Danish invasion of England and expanded south into Northumbria absorbing many English speakers as they went. These people became known to the Scots as Sassenachs or Saxons in Gaelic.
excuse me Ireland is not British and labels accordingly
The term Celtic nations is an historical and linguistic one in reality. The influence of the Celts on language and culture far exceeded the actual number of ethnic Celts who settled on the western fringes of Europe in the bronze age.
The majority in the country we now know as Scotland is probably of Danish and Anglo Saxon origin BTW. The Scots under Kenneth Macalpin established the kingdom of Alba when the Northern Pics were wiped out by the Norwegians, and then took advantage of the Danish invasion of England and expanded south into Northumbria absorbing many English speakers as they went. These people became known to the Scots as Sassenachs or Saxons in Gaelic.
The Scots and the Irish were fully involved in the British Empire BTW and did well out of it.
Long before that the Normans invaded and suppressed the English and invaded Wales and then Ireland from Wales. You wrote before as if somehow the Normans were the English, they were not. The Norman invasion was the most catastrophic defeat the English ever suffered and the English were oppressed for three hundred years after.
Then there's the movement of the Scots from the north of Ireland all down the western coast of Britain after the Romans left, and their establishment of after several hundred years of four or five sided conflict a kingdom in what became known as Scotland; and then a thousand years later some of their descendants moved back to Northern Ireland....
I suppose my point really is that a little knowledge of history and the movement of ancient peoples is useful when you start using terms like Celtic nations which is a romantic idea really, and was only invented a couple of hundred years ago in a more romantic age...
Don't go there. It's a nasty, dark, poisonous place, and there's no humour to be had out of it.
Plumbline said:Loving the Highwayman ..... I've had a few, and have a couple of Roadsters as well which are very similar but a bit neater in cut ..... how's the bi-swing back because it's quite a boxy cut anyway ???
Wow has thread went on a tangent.
Oh well.
Please excuse me lads, I most often post on a politics/current events/ history forum and these little hanging intellectual threads that sometimes crop up here are impossible to resist. No offence meant to anyone and sorry for going off piste.
I've seen this stated a few times before. Do we have definitive word from AL that this is the case?