1950's? Harris Tweed sport coat with belt

[GoldenEraFan]

Odd style belt for a sport coat. Almost like a what you see on military coats.
https://www.etsy.com/listing/164703...ch_type=vintage&ga_facet=vintage/clothing/men

 

[Fastuni]

A perfect European sportscoat...

 

[Flat Foot Floey]

Whoa. This was a good one.

 

[Flat Foot Floey]

Did a Fedora Lounger buy this? For how much did it go? (not sure if you can see this on etsy after it was sold)

 

[herringbonekid]

nice jacket... if we're talking about the brown Harris tweed one with the two buttons on the belt.

 

[Fastuni]

I snapped it up - it was 110 Euros.
It is the 1930-50's Harris Tweed logo.

 

[herringbonekid]

Fastuni, please post some pics in the British belt back thread when you get it. you know how starved we are for British belt back suits and sports jackets !

 

[Flat Foot Floey]

Congratulations. It's a great jacket and good color/fabric. The subtle green flecks are nice and the fittend waist / wide shoulders work well too.

 

[Fastuni]

The description mentions "Jarwen Petterson". So probably the name of the Scandinavian tailor.

 

[herringbonekid]

oh, there i was getting carried away.

 

[GoldenEraFan]

I snapped it up - it was 110 Euros.
It is the 1930-50's Harris Tweed logo.

I know there were 2 specific Harris Tweed labels that had copyright dates of 1937 and 1949. Was this only on select Harris Tweeds?

 

[Guttersnipe]

Also, different Harris Tweed labels were used in the U.S. than in the U.K./Europe. I know Baron Kurtz has mentioned that the use of the label with U.K. copyright dates was pretty fast and loose.

What was the age of this coat?

 

[GoldenEraFan]

Also, different Harris Tweed labels were used in the U.S. than in the U.K./Europe. I know Baron Kurtz has mentioned that the use of the label with U.K. copyright dates was pretty fast and loose.

What was the age of this coat?

Baron told me my Harris Tweed was WWII era, it had the 1937 Copyright date.

 

[Guttersnipe]

As I understand it, with Harris Tweed labels, you can's always go by the copyright number because labels with the '37 copyright were often used after they'd been superseded by ones with the latter copyright date. This can be the case with ACWA tags too, but it seems to be more common with the HT labels.

 

[GoldenEraFan]

As I understand it, with Harris Tweed labels, you can's always go by the copyright number because labels with the '37 copyright were often used after they'd been superseded by ones with the latter copyright date. This can be the case with ACWA tags too, but it seems to be more common with the HT labels.

Here's the jacket for reference

 

[Baron Kurtz]

Only the US companies used a copyright dated Harris Tweed label. Such labels do not exist outside US manufacture.

 

[Baron Kurtz]

And therefore cannot be inserted into a timeline with the non-US labels like this one. This is the earliest one of this type, typically found in 1930s up to the end of WWII. Afterwards the phrase "100% Pure Wool" is added to the bottom of an otherwise identical label.

 

[Guttersnipe]

Only the US companies used a copyright dated Harris Tweed label. Such labels do not exist outside US manufacture.

The trademark number on the U.K. label ties to a date in the U.K. database of registered trademarks. If I'm not mistaken, this number changed over time on the U.K. labels due to trademark renewal.

 

[Guttersnipe]

...ah, interesting. Harris Tweed was registered in the U.K. as a trademark in 1909 and the renewal date isn't until 2017. There are other miscellaneous filings with the Intellectual Property Office from the 1990s and early 2000s too.

U.S. trademarks are renewed more frequently than that.

 

[Baron Kurtz]

The Trade Mark is for the Orb and the restricted use of the term "Harris Tweed". Because of the ridiculous historic US stance on Copyright, to be protected in the US a Copyright had to be lodged there as well as in the country of origin. This is opposed to the more rational stance of every other country in the world (and, since 2011, the USA), for whom a single filing in the country of origin was sufficient to secure worldwide protection. This probably explains the need to register as a patent in the US the rights that were granted to the restricted use of Harris Tweed everywhere else.

The classic example of this US fudge is the Cuban cigar industry, in which Dominican et al. manufacturers have ripped off the Trade Marks and Copyrights of countless Cuban cigar companies in order to sell in the US market. These cigars are unavailable anywhere outside US territory because they breach international law on intellectual property protection.