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[Judgmentalist]

Stetson Twenty "The Sovereign" - Mode Edge. I think this is the only hat I have that has the Mode Edge. It is also the first hat I have that uses the word "Twenty" anywhere in the marketing language. I'm not sure of the significance of having it printed on the liner; perhaps someone more knowledgeable than me can enlighten me.

Let me know what you think.

 

[blewnote]

Stetson Twenty "The Sovereign" - Mode Edge. I think this is the only hat I have that has the Mode Edge. It is also the first hat I have that uses the word "Twenty" anywhere in the marketing language. I'm not sure of the significance of having it printed on the liner; perhaps someone more knowledgeable than me can enlighten me.

Let me know what you think.
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It's a late 50s early 60s Stetson. Felt is still probably decent quality but I'm guessing the brim is close to 2" and the blocking profile probably has more taper and is shorter than earlier models.

The Sovereign level was sold at Twenty dollars, hence the Twenty. Pretty sure Stetson quality levels from that era went Royal, Royal DeLuxe, 3X, Sovereign/Twenty, Twenty-five, One Hundred. There may also have been an Imperial and 7x clear beaver in there as well in that time frame. Can't speak to the difference in felt quality at various levels but I think the trimmings and attention to detail improved as you paid more money. That said I have an royal stetson open road that has the 7 1/4 tag dating it to that era (although oddly enough the liner isn't plastic tipped and looks like on from the early 50s so maybe its older than I think) that has pretty nice thin and dense felt, similar to a 3x I have from the early 50s. My experience is that you can't always tell exactly what the hat is going to be like until you have it in hand.

I believe mode edge is one of Stetson's names for a cavanagh edge.

The vintage hats I first bought that started me down the road towards my hat obsession came from this era but weren't quite what I was looking for. For me, I've found better luck finding what I'm personally looking for with hats from the early 50s and earlier, and am trying to stop buying anything that's not 40s or earlier (but those are harder to come by). But I also recently bought and kept a late 50s hat with a couple holes in the crown cuz the color was so great (my first green), even though the crown is lower than I usually like.

What do you think about the hat?

 

[Judgmentalist]

It's a late 50s early 60s Stetson. Felt is still probably decent quality but I'm guessing the brim is close to 2" and the blocking profile probably has more taper and is shorter than earlier models.

The Sovereign level was sold at Twenty dollars, hence the Twenty. Pretty sure Stetson quality levels from that era went Royal, Royal DeLuxe, 3X, Sovereign/Twenty, Twenty-five, One Hundred. There may also have been an Imperial and 7x clear beaver in there as well in that time frame. Can't speak to the difference in felt quality at various levels but I think the trimmings and attention to detail improved as you paid more money. That said I have an royal stetson open road that has the 7 1/4 tag dating it to that era (although oddly enough the liner isn't plastic tipped and looks like on from the early 50s so maybe its older than I think) that has pretty nice thin and dense felt, similar to a 3x I have from the early 50s. My experience is that you can't always tell exactly what the hat is going to be like until you have it in hand.

I believe mode edge is one of Stetson's names for a cavanagh edge.

The vintage hats I first bought that started me down the road towards my hat obsession came from this era but weren't quite what I was looking for. For me, I've found better luck finding what I'm personally looking for with hats from the early 50s and earlier, and am trying to stop buying anything that's not 40s or earlier (but those are harder to come by). But I also recently bought and kept a late 50s hat with a couple holes in the crown cuz the color was so great (my first green), even though the crown is lower than I usually like.

What do you think about the hat?

Thank you. I appreciate the detailed input.

50's-60's was what I was thinking. Specifically, I was assuming that by the time the "Twenty" designation makes it to the liner, it is more of a marketing thing than it was when it was a price tag, but it still has quality implications and I'll take it. Yes, the mode edge is Stetson's name for the Cav Edge; I don't know if there are others. I wanted this hat for that detail also.

I am also trying to move into buying hats from the 30's and 40's but it is damn difficult in my size, and the fact that I usually need at least a half size bigger in real vintage hats doesn't help. I have been very tempted to buy hats that don't fit me just because they are from the era that I want, or have other details I want, but so far I have (mostly) successfully resisted.

As far as the hat itself, I like the crown shape, I like the color, I like the wide ribbon, I like the keyhole tag and the looped bow. The brim is a bit shorter than I would prefer, but still wearable. I don't have many Stetsons. I have an RD Homburg that needs some refurb work, a more modern Stratoliner that I posted in the "wearing" thread this morning, two lesser quality 60s-era Sovereigns that I got relatively cheaply, and I think a cap or two.

Aside from this one, because of the "Twenty" and the mode edge detail, I haven't been buying them until I find one that fits me from earlier in the peak hat era.

 

[Judgmentalist]

It's a late 50s early 60s Stetson. Felt is still probably decent quality but I'm guessing the brim is close to 2" and the blocking profile probably has more taper and is shorter than earlier models.

The Sovereign level was sold at Twenty dollars, hence the Twenty. Pretty sure Stetson quality levels from that era went Royal, Royal DeLuxe, 3X, Sovereign/Twenty, Twenty-five, One Hundred. There may also have been an Imperial and 7x clear beaver in there as well in that time frame. Can't speak to the difference in felt quality at various levels but I think the trimmings and attention to detail improved as you paid more money. That said I have an royal stetson open road that has the 7 1/4 tag dating it to that era (although oddly enough the liner isn't plastic tipped and looks like on from the early 50s so maybe its older than I think) that has pretty nice thin and dense felt, similar to a 3x I have from the early 50s. My experience is that you can't always tell exactly what the hat is going to be like until you have it in hand.

I believe mode edge is one of Stetson's names for a cavanagh edge.

The vintage hats I first bought that started me down the road towards my hat obsession came from this era but weren't quite what I was looking for. For me, I've found better luck finding what I'm personally looking for with hats from the early 50s and earlier, and am trying to stop buying anything that's not 40s or earlier (but those are harder to come by). But I also recently bought and kept a late 50s hat with a couple holes in the crown cuz the color was so great (my first green), even though the crown is lower than I usually like.

What do you think about the hat?

Oh, and I don't know how I feel about the little doo-dad on the bow - I'm gonna sit with it for a minute, and I'll probably leave it alone since it is period-correct, but I'm not particularly drawn to jewelry on my hats.

 

[jeffgarf]

Oh, and I don't know how I feel about the little doo-dad on the bow - I'm gonna sit with it for a minute, and I'll probably leave it alone since it is period-correct, but I'm not particularly drawn to jewelry on my hats.

I have a whole box of stuff like that.

 

[Judgmentalist]

I have a whole box of stuff like that.

Good, this gives me the moral justification to pull it off if/when

 

[rstewart8706]

Stetson Twenty "The Sovereign" - Mode Edge. I think this is the only hat I have that has the Mode Edge. It is also the first hat I have that uses the word "Twenty" anywhere in the marketing language. I'm not sure of the significance of having it printed on the liner; perhaps someone more knowledgeable than me can enlighten me.

Let me know what you think.
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I think its a great looking hat. I agree with you that the brim could be a little wider but overall a great looking hat.

 

[Frunobulax]

Oh, and I don't know how I feel about the little doo-dad on the bow - I'm gonna sit with it for a minute, and I'll probably leave it alone since it is period-correct, but I'm not particularly drawn to jewelry on my hats.

It may or may not be period correct. Those medallions seemed to start showing up in the late 60s and after. I think it was added to the hat, not from the factory.

 

[Judgmentalist]

It may or may not be period correct. Those medallions seemed to start showing up in the late 60s and after. I think it was added to the hat, not from the factory.

All the more reason to yank it, thank you - I was making the assumption

 

[ShadowXY]

First Stetson on the way. Straw Small contemporary low end "Panama"?
I see a version on Stetson retail about $135. It was $25 + $6 shipping so I popped on it.
Looks like new cond.
M is 7 7 1/8 so maybe on the big side? S is 6 3/4 - 6 7/8. I can return it & with a cloth sweatband I figured it's worth a shot. Not sure of the brim hopefully at least 3 1/4 inch.

Does it look like a nice hat? Figured I couldn't go wrong as it will be useful as long as it fits.

Similar hat but brim looks smaller at 3 inch. Looks like mine has more elaborate circular weaving design on the brim & likely an older version.
https://stetson.com/products/airway...jNIILVjC4KBC33BWwIS7Xo5Yo-iFD4jBoCbE0QAvD_BwE

 

[Judgmentalist]

First Stetson on the way. Straw Small contemporary low end "Panama"?
I see a version on Stetson retail about $135. It was $25 + $6 shipping so I popped on it.
Looks like new cond.
M is 7 7 1/8 so maybe on the big side? S is 6 3/4 - 6 7/8. I can return it & with a cloth sweatband I figured it's worth a shot. Not sure of the brim hopefully at least 3 1/4 inch.

Similar hat but brim looks smaller at 3 inch.
https://stetson.com/products/airway...jNIILVjC4KBC33BWwIS7Xo5Yo-iFD4jBoCbE0QAvD_BwE

Looks nice and cool let me know how you like it

 

[Judgmentalist]

Looks nice and cool let me know how you like it

What size hat are you actually? Like what is your head measurement?

 

[ShadowXY]

Looks nice and cool let me know how you like it

Thanks, That's what i thought. I'm really enjoying the Akubras but when it's over 85F & into the 90's I am reminded how hot So Cal can be. Not a huge brim but sometimes a more conservative width brim is useful in certain situations.

 

[ShadowXY]

What size hat are you actually? Like what is your head measurement?

My head seems to measure 22 inch.
The hat ring at 21 7/8 inch hat fits nice. I like it down more on the forehead or 6 7/8 would be ok unless shrunk.
Not all hat makers are the same. Some 7 can be too big. I can wear a 7 if it's shrunk a bit or up to 22 inch.
Much more than 22 inch could be loose.

I can do 22 inch/\... what size am I? Guess I finally answered my own question. I'm safer with a 7!

I probably would have gone 7 but it was a Small & I'm hoping it works.

The 7 Resistol Shantung 20X I just got fits fine but it's coming in under 22 to 22 1/2 inch. Is that a standard 7?
Perfect for me. Now I am confused & measuring circumference is really hard.

If 6 7/8 is 21 1/2 inch like I see some places than that's too small for me where I wear it. I won't be getting 6 7/8 in the future but I have two 6 7/8 a resistol & an akubra that fit fine... Still getting 6 7/8 is a gamble & better I buy 7 & allow it to shrink.

Oh well...that's why I usually like to get the length & width as I know what my head will fit into. Basically 6 1/4 & 7 1/2 inch will do fine.

 

[Rmccamey]

Many here, myself included, think the Twenties are the real sweet spot for vintage Stetsons in both price and quality.

Thank you. I appreciate the detailed input.

50's-60's was what I was thinking. Specifically, I was assuming that by the time the "Twenty" designation makes it to the liner, it is more of a marketing thing than it was when it was a price tag, but it still has quality implications and I'll take it. Yes, the mode edge is Stetson's name for the Cav Edge; I don't know if there are others. I wanted this hat for that detail also.

I am also trying to move into buying hats from the 30's and 40's but it is damn difficult in my size, and the fact that I usually need at least a half size bigger in real vintage hats doesn't help. I have been very tempted to buy hats that don't fit me just because they are from the era that I want, or have other details I want, but so far I have (mostly) successfully resisted.

As far as the hat itself, I like the crown shape, I like the color, I like the wide ribbon, I like the keyhole tag and the looped bow. The brim is a bit shorter than I would prefer, but still wearable. I don't have many Stetsons. I have an RD Homburg that needs some refurb work, a more modern Stratoliner that I posted in the "wearing" thread this morning, two lesser quality 60s-era Sovereigns that I got relatively cheaply, and I think a cap or two.

Aside from this one, because of the "Twenty" and the mode edge detail, I haven't been buying them until I find one that fits me from earlier in the peak hat era.

 

[steur]

My Hornskov Solace Panama arrived yesterday in time for the rest of the summer.

Pretty pleased with it. It's a nice upgrade and a fine addition to the other Panamas/straws in the collection.

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Very cool, Steve. Simple, classic lines; great style.

 

[Pellie]

A. Breiter München, der hutmacher am Dom. I really like this color brown red and the purple lining! Don't know anything about the age, but i think it's not that old. Maybe Steve @mayserwegener does know? Bought this one for 4 euro, so a real bargain.

 

[Pellie]

Homero Ortega brisa weave panama, needs some steam. Not vintage or very special, but couldn't resist it for 10 euro's. ;-)

Edit: after steaming it looks a bit better!!

 

[Pellie]

Bought this Rockel homburg. I was thrilled to receive it. It has a sizetag of 58, but this turned out to be more like a size 56. So way too small for my head unfortunally. Shape, color, form, felt, everything was nice on it. I contacted Stefan @steur and now this beauty is on it's way to him. Bad luck for me this time! But happy for Stefan.

 

[Judgmentalist]

Panizza Homburg - love this hat

@jeffgarf brought it to my attention - thanks Jeff - it's 7 3/8, and it actually fits, which was a surprise for an older hat, to be honest.

I'm still figuring out how I want to wear it - I think just a clean center dent, most likely. It's a hair snug. When I get the center dent shaped the way I like it in my hands, it looks great - then I put it on my head and I kind of pull it into more of a teardrop shape.

Very fine felt - very easy to shape, and very easy to unshape. : ) I love a nice homburg.