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How tight is your range of hat size that you would consider buying?

My experience has been limited to S/M/L/XL sizing, which isn’t super precise. I’ve measured my head at 58 and 59, and tonight my wife said it was 58.5. Which puts me into a Large with some amount of padding, depending on the hat, since I don’t want to risk the Medium being too small.

For hats that are sold by the centimeter, I figure to buy 59. In American sizing, the charts I’ve seen have leaned me toward 7 1/4.

My quandary comes from the following pic on a listing for a vintage fur felt hat that has a 7 1/4 tag but measures on the small side. With my measurements and this hat’s credentials, would you recommend going for it and potentially having to try to stretch it?
No, stretching a hat rarely ends well unless you are talking about change in the shape a bit to a long oval or if you are just nudging it out a bit. Vintage hats tend to run small due to leather shrinkageover the years. At a 58.5cm I would size up to a 59 and use spacers/pads in the sweat to bring it closer to your size. The first thing you need to do is determine your head shape...that is equally important as the actual size measure.
 
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No, stretching a hat rarely ends well unless you are talking about change in the shape a bit to a long oval or if you are just nudging it out a bit. Vintage hats tend to run small due to leather shrinkageover the years. At a 58.5cm I would size up to a 59 and use spacers/pads in the sweat to bring it closer to your size. The first thing you need to do is determine your head shape...that is equally important as the actual size measure.
I measure 59cm exactly. Most off the shelf hats at 59cm fit tight on the forehead as I am a Long Oval shape.. The hats are tight at the forehead and there is a gap at the temples. If the hat is lightweight I can ease it out by using a two way hat stretcher then takes the excess at the temples and translates it into a longer shape. Depending on the shape of your head sometimes sizing up does not work so well as the gap at the temples is too great. It then looks funny and the hat may wobble as there is only contact with your head at the front and back......no contact on the sides. This more often occurring in heavier western weight felts. Lighter weight dress hats will sometimes conform to your head over time
 

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Ill just add my 2 cents here.... lots of folks pull the measuring tape too tight when measuring their head, and they end up getting a hat thats a bit tight.... when measuring just lay the tape snug but not tight.. Always err on being large rather than hoping a hat will stretch..... if anything fur felt will also shrink a small amount with wearing and sweatting.
I.E. Akubras and the Resistol "self conforming" hats.. Go large or go home lol
 

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Also, Ive had two different chinese made hat measuring devices... they both measured a full size too small ( and had no means of adjusting the pointer).... I dont put a lot of stock in them. I just do a proper measurement with a good old fashioned tailors tape and fit the hat to the head with that measurement instead of relying on a fancy gizmo.... if you have multiple measuring tapes.... make sure they both measure the same...Ive got one old one that has shrunk over time
 
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Also, Ive had two different chinese made hat measuring devices... they both measured a full size too small ( and had no means of adjusting the pointer).... I dont put a lot of stock in them. I just do a proper measurement with a good old fashioned tailors tape and fit the hat to the head with that measurement instead of relying on a fancy gizmo.... if you have multiple measuring tapes.... make sure they both measure the same...Ive got one old one that has shrunk over time
Also, don't use cheap chinese tailor's tape. They have been know to be wrong.....slight variations with each centimetre so by the time you reach 59 or 60cm they can be out by as much as a full centimetre.
 

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Mailman just left me a new package.... a basically new hat block.... not sure if theres a specific name for these blocks with the smaller bases, but I really like these because I can wiggle and slip them past a leather sweatband to do a bit of tweaking on the crown. P\Thats often problematic with a block used for proper blocking. Now I have a 21-1/2 and 22 in these....too small for any proper blocking in my world, but a really handy size for maintenance..... I dont have to dissassemble a hat for minor reshaping.... plus they look cool and make a nice hat display
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I've done a bit of digging around, and I can't find out any more. I suspect if they'd gone under as a brand it would have been reported *somewhere*. Seems most likely that this is a combination of them taking a longer holiday over the Christmas / New Year period, and either there being some sort of delay in processing at their end, or a sudden run on low stock, or postal delays out of their hands or all of the above. There were instances I heard of of significant delays in postage across the board for anything in the UK in late November / December this year, so it's possible they got hit with that.

The London store is coping up as open as normal on the web for me, I guess you could try giving them a call around the time difference - https://discountmum.co.uk/place/christys-london-london/ number there. I don't know whether they are running the same accounts as the webshop, though - they may be siloed. Beyond that your options do seem to be either wait it out or engage the credit card charge back. Hope you get it sorted either way; it's always frustrating when companies do the 'new website coming soon' thing and then leave us all in the dark.
Well, it’s been over a month since I placed the order. No change in the status. Still no indication that the hats have been handed to the shipper, and no response to my emails and Google Maps still showing them as temporarily closed. Chargeback proceedings are underway.
 
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Ill just add my 2 cents here.... lots of folks pull the measuring tape too tight when measuring their head, and they end up getting a hat thats a bit tight.... when measuring just lay the tape snug but not tight.. Always err on being large rather than hoping a hat will stretch..... if anything fur felt will also shrink a small amount with wearing and sweatting.
I.E. Akubras and the Resistol "self conforming" hats.. Go large or go home.

Sound advice in my opinion. The best thing you can do is to find a hat or cap that fits you the way you'd like all of your hats to fit, then look in a mirror while you're wearing it. Look at how the hat sits on your head, determine where the sweatband comes into contact with your head. Odds are it won't be perfectly level, so if you wrap the measuring tape around your head perfectly level the measurement you get will likely be different from the measurement you need. Is the sweatband in front just above your eyebrows? Slightly higher? Closer to your hairline? What about in the back? Higher? Mid-level? Closer to your neck? Pay attention to these things, because they all come into play when there's a hat on your head, and if you want it to fit comfortably... For example, I figured out pretty quickly that my hairline in front has been slowly backing away from my eyebrows for several years, but I like my hats pushed back off of my forehead so the sweatband in front usually resides right about where my hairline is. Once that's positioned, I place the measuring tape in the back where the sweatband will be with my hat(s) pushed back on my head, and take the measurement. For me, that's 60 cm (or American hat size 7-1/2), so that's what I look for. So far, that's worked out well for me. Also remember, your skull is probably not actually round, but "oval-shaped", and that comes into play as well. "Regular oval", "Oval", and "Long Oval" are terms you'll encounter when determining your size, and the more you know about these factors the better your hat(s) will fit. Also, be aware that different manufacturers can have little "quirks" built into their hats for various reasons. For example, Akubra is aware that the leather they use for their sweatbands shrinks a bit when it gets wet (i.e., when their customers wear and sweat in their new hats), and they know how much it shrinks, so they include that when they make their sweatbands. Or...well, Akubra is now under new management, and has been for a year or two, I think, so I don't know if the new owners are taking all of these little tips and tricks into consideration. If you're uncertain about your hat size the best thing to do is contact the manufacturer to see it there are any unexpected factors that need to be considered before you spend your money on their product(s). Or, if you're fortunate enough to have a proper hat store nearby, drop in, have a chat with the employees, and try on some hats!

By the way, don't take my word for any of this. Do the research--stop by a hat store or three (again, if you're lucky enough to have one nearby), talk to people (in person, online, HERE ON THIS WEBSITE), find out why their hats are better than anyone else's, and so on. But most of all, have fun!
 
Mailman just left me a new package.... a basically new hat block.... not sure if theres a specific name for these blocks with the smaller bases, but I really like these because I can wiggle and slip them past a leather sweatband to do a bit of tweaking on the crown. P\Thats often problematic with a block used for proper blocking. Now I have a 21-1/2 and 22 in these....too small for any proper blocking in my world, but a really handy size for maintenance..... I dont have to dissassemble a hat for minor reshaping.... plus they look cool and make a nice hat display
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As they are labeled, they are Milliners blocks, and often measured exclusively in cm.. Used for making women's hats, which because of that are softer wood to allow the pinning of materials to the block when making the creation (and why they often are filled with small holes, it's not wood worm;)). I like them too as they often are lighter...but as they are for women's hats, they are very hard to find in larger sizes.

PS: Here is one of mine where they were also outlining their work.
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It is a 787 in 22 1/2.
 
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As they are labeled, they are Milliners blocks, and often measured exclusively in cm.. Used for making women's hats, which because of that are softer wood to allow the pinning of materials to the block when making the creation (and why they often are filled with small holes, it's not wood worm;)). I like them too as they often are lighter...but as they are for women's hats, they are very hard to find in larger sizes.

PS: Here is one of mine where they were also outlining their work.
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It is a 787 in 22 1/2.
Ive wondered if they werent a womens form... one of mine has similar almost diagonal lines from someones previous work.... one also has layers of shellac stiffener that must have been sprayed over a lace veil during finishing Ive liked these forms because I can get them up through a leather sweatband without any risk if stretching and damaging. I can rework crinkled crown curves pretty nicely with them. Obviously not ideal for blocking, but useful for maintenance. Ive always loved old blocks..... look at holes, scratches and marks and think " wonder what they were doing right there) lol
 

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I remember Akubra made a 100% beaver western (cowboy) hat. But can‘t find any information regarding it anywhere. It may have been called “Big Sky” but not sure. Anyone have any information about it ‍?
 

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Can anyone who cleans and re-blocks their own hats tell me if it is possible to re-use the sweatband if it is still in good condition (if it is reeded, unreeded I think would be a disaster)? The 7 1/4 block I have fits my 7 1/4 hats but just barely and the sweatband leaves a bit of a ridge in the felt... am contemplating removing a sweat to re-block and then try to re-attach it but want to know if it's futile or not prior to attempting. It certainly seems like that's how it was done in the old days, per the Scientific Hat Finishing and Renovating book, and this catolog from Chicago Hatters Supply House I found recently, but those were written under the assumption that the sweatband wasn't perhaps 80 years old already!

I'll leave this link here because I haven't run into it on the forum and it's a nice short read.

https://archive.org/details/instructionsinha00hatt
 

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I remember Akubra made a 100% beaver western (cowboy) hat. But can‘t find any information regarding it anywhere. It may have been called “Big Sky” but not sure. Anyone have any information about it ‍?

I first came to TFL in 2017 and I believe that was the last year the Big Sky was offered. But I believe it was a 30% beaver felt and not a 100%. I could be wrong on all accounts, though.

Seems like I also have a vague memory of a 100% beaver felt Akubra. But my imagination is better than my memory.

Did you do a search using TFL's search function?
 
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Can anyone who cleans and re-blocks their own hats tell me if it is possible to re-use the sweatband if it is still in good condition (if it is reeded, unreeded I think would be a disaster)? The 7 1/4 block I have fits my 7 1/4 hats but just barely and the sweatband leaves a bit of a ridge in the felt... am contemplating removing a sweat to re-block and then try to re-attach it but want to know if it's futile or not prior to attempting. It certainly seems like that's how it was done in the old days, per the Scientific Hat Finishing and Renovating book, and this catolog from Chicago Hatters Supply House I found recently, but those were written under the assumption that the sweatband wasn't perhaps 80 years old already!

I'll leave this link here because I haven't run into it on the forum and it's a nice short read.

https://archive.org/details/instructionsinha00hatt
As long as the leather in the sweat is still supple then it can be used again. But check also the reed tape to make sure it is intact as that is the area that will take the stitch. Vintage hats used a material that would rot....newer ones are plastic and don't rot.
 

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Well, it’s been over a month since I placed the order. No change in the status. Still no indication that the hats have been handed to the shipper, and no response to my emails and Google Maps still showing them as temporarily closed. Chargeback proceedings are underway.
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Based on recent, late-2025 customer feedback, Christys' Hats appears to be experiencing severe financial or operational distress, with reports indicating
they may have gone into liquidation.
Here are the key details regarding the status of Christys' Hats:
  • Reports of Liquidation: As of December 2025, reviews on Trustpilot suggest the company has gone into liquidation, with customers reporting that they are not being notified of this on the website and are being advised they are unlikely to get refunds for returned items.
  • Customer Service Issues: Recent reviews from late 2025 (e.g., Dec 8, 2025, and Dec 23, 2025) report long delays, lack of responses to emails, and problems receiving refunds.
  • Website Activity: Despite these reports, the website (christys-hats.com) appeared to still be active and taking orders, creating a disconnect with the reported insolvency.
Historical Context
Founded in 1773, Christys' has a long history as a top-tier British hat maker. In 2011, the brand was acquired by Liberty. While it was still celebrating its 250th anniversary in 2023 with manufacturing in Witney, Oxfordshire, the current reports indicate a sudden and severe decline.
 

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Wondering if anyone has any information on a strange sweatband stamp I came across. I managed to find it mentioned here but haven't found anything that explains it. I'm wondering if maybe it's an indication of a Stetson factory refurbishment or if it's the stamp of an independent hat renovator and am just curious if anyone has any ideas about what it signifies. It's got U.S.A. in the middle of a large scalloped ornamental gold embossment, but no design that I can discern or any other identifying information.

I don't have a picture of it personally, but here's a picture of it in a hat that someone offered for free in the Classifieds:

https://www.thefedoralounge.com/thr...-shipping-and-my-packaging.55537/post-1223163

And here's a link to a hat that Bob Hufford sold on eBay recently that has it over the 4X Beaver Quality stamp that was originally on the sweatband (and that's another weird one as the hat also has a Stetson Twenty designation).

https://ebay.us/m/Up9lks
 

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