Questions About the United States Navy Peacoat

[Gamma68]

My measurements must've been off. Or it was all those hot dogs and burgers I've had at the family BBQs lately.

 

[Tiki Tom]

Merci! Wonderful pics!

 

[moehawk]

Hey all!
Found a peacoat at a thrift store today, not sure if it's issue or civilian repro. My instinct says civilian. Definitely of more modern make. So, the question is, did Jay Dee Sportswear ever have a government contract?
Thanks.

 

[moehawk]

Here's a pic of the label, inside of the inner pocket.

Sorry for the bad pic.

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[Peacoat]

Yes, Jay Dee sportswear was a government contractor, and I think it still is. Have never seen that tag with the Jay Dee name on it on a peacoat, though.

This is a legitimate Navy issue peacoat. Even though this is a pre 1980 coat, it is a Melton coat and not the Kersey wool shell that is so desirable. Notice the tag for the shell information.

I would be interested in knowing if there is an insulated lining in the coat. It should be behind the standard rayon lining next to body of the wearer. It will be about 1/8" thick and noticeable to probing fingers

 

[moehawk]

Yes, Jay Dee sportswear was a government contractor, and I think it still is. Have never seen that tag with the Jay Dee name on it on a peacoat, though.

This is a legitimate Navy issue peacoat. Even though this is a pre 1980 coat, it is a Melton coat and not the Kersey wool shell that is so desirable. Notice the tag for the shell information.

I would be interested in knowing if there is an insulated lining in the coat. It should be behind the standard rayon lining next to body of the wearer. It will be about 1/8" thick and noticeable to probing fingers

Thanks for the info! Cool that it is a real one.
Yes, it does have an insulated lining. It also has gold tone buttons. I did notice right away that the wool shell felt a lot different than my '66 Coast Guard peacoat. The tag just confirmed that it wasn't the better stuff. The fit also seems a little diferent than the older one too.

 

[Spoonbelly]

Yes, Jay Dee sportswear was a government contractor, and I think it still is. Have never seen that tag with the Jay Dee name on it on a peacoat, though.

This is a legitimate Navy issue peacoat. Even though this is a pre 1980 coat, it is a Melton coat and not the Kersey wool shell that is so desirable. Notice the tag for the shell information.

I would be interested in knowing if there is an insulated lining in the coat. It should be behind the standard rayon lining next to body of the wearer. It will be about 1/8" thick and noticeable to probing fingers

Peacoat - Was wondering - what year is the last Kersey. I thought that it was 1972? Also if I remember correctly the first few years of Melton coats were a dark blue color and not black? Do you know what year they started to make the coats in black Melton?

 

[Peacoat]

Peacoat - Was wondering - what year is the last Kersey. I thought that it was 1972? Also if I remember correctly the first few years of Melton coats were a dark blue color and not black? Do you know what year they started to make the coats in black Melton?

The last year for the Kersey was 1979. Sterlingwear says the material color is actually a very dark blue and not black. It looks black to me. I just took one of my Melton coats outside in the sunlight. I can see no blue in the fabric.

This particular coat is a 1980 Vi Mil, which was the name Sterlingwear used for its military contracts back then. As 1980 was the first year for the Melton fabric, this was one of the first peacoats produced using that fabric.

So to answer your question as to the color, evidently the coats have appeared black from the beginning. I have another current issue Sterlingwear from the 90s that also appears black. But I bow to Sterlingwear's expertise in knowing the the color it uses in its garments. If it says blue, then blue it is.

 

[Doctor Damage]

The last year for the Kersey was 1979. Sterlingwear says the material color is actually a very dark blue and not black. It looks black to me. I just took one of my Melton coats outside in the sunlight. I can see no blue in the fabric.

This particular coat is a 1980 Vi Mil, which was the name Sterlingwear used for its military contracts back then. As 1980 was the first year for the Melton fabric, this was one of the first peacoats produced using that fabric.

So to answer your question as to the color, evidently the coats have appeared black from the beginning. I have another current issue Sterlingwear from the 90s that also appears black. But I bow to Sterlingwear's expertise in knowing the the color it uses in its garments. If it says blue, then blue it is.

No, you're right. There's no blue in it. Calling the cloth blue is just a historical legacy thing which shows up from time to time in clothing. The clothing industry is run through with weird terminology and labeling.

 

[moehawk]

Figured I'd post pics of the outside of the Jay Dee to go with the label shot.

Now to brush off all the fence dust...

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[Peacoat]

That is actually a Reefer, a peacoat once worn by officers. They can still wear them, as can Chiefs, but most wear the Bridgecoat, a longer version of the peacoat. The officers would have their rank on shoulder boards attached to the top of the shoulder on both the peacoat and the bridge coat. Golden colored buttons are used instead of the black fouled anchor buttons. Chiefs wear no rank on their bridge coats.

There is no structural difference between the peacoat and the reefer.

 

[moehawk]

That is actually a Reefer, a peacoat once worn by officers. They can still wear them, as can Chiefs, but most wear the Bridgecoat, a longer version of the peacoat. The officers would have their rank on shoulder boards attached to the top of the shoulder on both the peacoat and the bridge coat. Golden colored buttons are used instead of the black fouled anchor buttons. Chiefs wear no rank on their bridge coats.

There is no structural difference between the peacoat and the reefer.

Well, living in the Emerald Triangle, a Reefer sounds way cooler than a Peacoat...
All kidding aside, thanks again for sharing that information. Just out of curiosity, were the reefers usually called peacoats on the tag like this one or should it have been labeled differently?

 

[Peacoat]

The "reefer" would have the same tag as the peacoat. It is the same coat, except for the loops on the shoulders and the gold buttons. The clothing regulations refer to it as a reefer. I have no idea where or why it got that name.

That is a nice coat; do it a favor and take it to the dry cleaners.

 

[votan]

aboard ship a "reefer" is a freezer.

 

[Peacoat]

aboard ship a "reefer" is a freezer.

Does the reefer (freezer) on the ship relate to reefer peacoat?

 

[Michael A]

A reefer is the unlucky sot that had to climb up in the rigging and reef the sails during bad blows. Hence the need for a short, stout coat.

 

[Peacoat]

A reefer is the unlucky sot that had to climb up in the rigging and reef the sails during bad blows. Hence the need for a short, stout coat.

I doubt that duty would be given to an officer, though.

There is a reason why an officer's peacoat was called a reefer. And it is referred to as such in the regulations, so it isn't a name that just popped up. We just haven't come up with a good explanation.

 

[votan]

i don't know what it was like back when "ships were made of wood and men were made of iron" but when I was in the navy in the 80s the usual reefer coat was the green navy deck jacket. if you were on a working party and loading stores you wouldn't want the buttons ripped off your pea coat or have it stained by something leaking.

 

[Peacoat]

i don't know what it was like back when "ships were made of wood and men were made of iron" but when I was in the navy in the 80s the usual reefer coat was the green navy deck jacket. if you were on a working party and loading stores you wouldn't want the buttons ripped off your pea coat or have it stained by something leaking.

Yes, the peacoat was a dress coat. I don't think it started out that way, but over time it evolved. Deck jackets were used for work parties, of which there were many in the the Navy, as I understand it.

The non—impermeable, green deck jacket was a warm jacket. I have one. The impermeable, green deck jacket was also warm, as well as being water resistant. I have one of those as well that I use for chores around the farm when it is snowing or cold and raining.

While the deck jacket may have been referred to informally as a "reefer" jacket, the regulations don't refer to it as such. That honor is reserved for peacoats worn by officers. Still unresolved is why they were given that designation.

 

[username2150]

I own what I believe is a WW2 era pea coat that I've had for about 6 years. It's been in the closet for the last two winters considering some issues with the lining and a tear along the seam of the right arm. I wanted to see people's thoughts regarding repairing the lining of the jacket.

Would a complete lining replacement be a bad idea? Does replacing the lining take away from the authenticity of the jacket, and should I instead focus on spot repairs instead? If anyone has any recommended tailors in the Chicago area that would be up for the job, I'd love to hear recommendations.

Here's a description of the damage along with several photos: IMGUR LINK

• There are tears around both arm holes.
• Some misc tears of the inner lining elsewhere including inside of interior pocket
• Tear along seems of right arm