I have been searching high and low for winter weight (even mid-weight) charcoal flannel pants and have had absolutely no luck. Nothing even coming close to the weight and feel of nice heavy flannel. Talked with the proprietor of Van Bovens, a serious old-time mens store in Ann Arbor, Michigan and he told me that he has been looking for them for years and has not been able to find any. I know that I can get what I want through Bookster but I really want to be able to try them on before investing in them. (By the way, even the flannels I have seen that have been slightly heaver than the run-of-the mill trousers have been priced close to $200. Ralph Lauren - no; Brooks Brothers - no; Jos. Banks - hell, no. Suggestions?