Which religious group?

[surely]

au contraire, it will be due to all californians jumping at the same time.

 

[Dr Doran]

au contraire, it will be due to all californians jumping at the same time.

Well, my dear Shi - I mean, Surely, I do love Vancouver BC most dearly, so if this disaster does occur in "Cali," I trust you will have a couch for myself, my wife, and our 10 month old to stay on ....

 

[surely]

fftopic: no problem, you're first on the waiting list Doran

hey, there's always room for the baby to stay

oh, by the by, me too re vaudeville's demise :rage:

 

[Foofoogal]

This thread is that much more poignant for lack of a better word in light of the other thread on murder suicide.
Believing in only your own power leads to tragedy. Prayer could of healed this woman possibly and saved them all.
People need the Lord.

Now the question I am going to ask is was this mans fault or God?

 

[Diamondback]

I can read some, and hope to get better. As far as speaking it, its the only language I really want to learn. Unfortunately I have the proverbial tin ear. And that Rosetta stone program looks really good but that's $$$.

There'd be a solution to that, dear lady, if we weren't so geographically separated: go halves on the cost, and work on learning it together...

And for personal experiences: I've had too many things go my way that just should not have for it to be luck, or coincidence. Call it karma, or fate, or God (as I believe), but there is no question in my mind that something is taking very good care of me for some reason, probably better care than I deserve...

 

[HoosierDaddy]

This thread is that much more poignant for lack of a better word in light of the other thread on murder suicide.
Believing in only your own power leads to tragedy. Prayer could of healed this woman possibly and saved them all.
People need the Lord.

Now the question I am going to ask is was this mans fault or God?

It seems to me that it is in our nature to want to pass fault along to anything else except ourselves. Guilt can be a powerful thing. So much so that dealing with it without understanding of how it has already been passed along spiritually is what often causes hopelessness....or our own demise in many different ways. Pride...self ego...can keep us locked in our own stubborn sense of how to evaluate,handle,or percieve things. The idea of...coming to something as "little children" opposes our ego. Guilt finally reflects back on us with few options.
Many times...a change of mind...doesn't result from proof positive...but from an awakening spurred by allowing ourselves to look beyond self.
The starving of the world could be fed by us all... easily....
We could all see the reason for God paying for our debt..easily...
if it wasn't for our self....or more specifically..selfishness,IMHO.

 

[Bebop]

This thread is that much more poignant for lack of a better word in light of the other thread on murder suicide.
Believing in only your own power leads to tragedy. Prayer could of healed this woman possibly and saved them all.
People need the Lord.

Now the question I am going to ask is was this mans fault or God?

Which thread on murder suicide? [huh]

 

[surely]

It seems to me that it is in our nature to want to pass fault along to anything else except ourselves. Guilt can be a powerful thing. So much so that dealing with it without understanding of how it has already been passed along spiritually is what often causes hopelessness....or our own demise in many different ways. Pride...self ego...can keep us locked in our own stubborn sense of how to evaluate,handle,or percieve things. The idea of...coming to something as "little children" opposes our ego. Guilt finally reflects back on us with few options.
Many times...a change of mind...doesn't result from proof positive...but from an awakening spurred by allowing ourselves to look beyond self.
The starving of the world could be fed by us all... easily....
We could all see the reason for God paying for our debt..easily...
if it wasn't for our self....or more specifically..selfishness,IMHO.

HD that's well written & cogent. I've taken the liberty to edit the last sentence to bring your perspective into my perspective. Hope you don't mind.

The starving of the world could be fed by us all... easily....If we could all see the reasons for paying our debt..easily...
if it wasn't for our self....or more specifically..selfishness,IMHO.

 

[Foofoogal]

tragic news in the vintage collector world

 

[Bebop]

tragic news in the vintage collector world

Thank you, Foofoogal. That is quite tragic and horrible news. I hope the best for their family and friends. My heart goes out to all involved.

We really don't know if these people were religious or not. Maybe they did pray for healing of cancer. It seems to me they were not totally balanced mentally or spiritualy if they believed suicide and murder were the way out of a tragic situation. I would think that it would take far more than praying to overcome such feelings of killing yourself, your wife and most of all your child. Murder of an innocent child is not something sane people are likely to contemplate, religious or not. Many murders and suicides have been done in the name of God. You may at times find reasons to kill yourself and you may find a mate that is willing to "come with you" but to take a child that has nothing to do with your mental and spritual weakness, is much more than not having the Lord to lean on.

 

[HoosierDaddy]

HD that's well written & cogent. I've taken the liberty to edit the last sentence to bring your perspective into my perspective. Hope you don't mind.

The starving of the world could be fed by us all... easily....If we could all see the reasons for paying our debt..easily...
if it wasn't for our self....or more specifically..selfishness,IMHO.

I don't mind...but,IMO...it leaves out the most important part to me. Realising humane charity...loving your brother as you would yourself should certainly be key....but even though allowing the failings of free will,pride,ego,and imperfection...God still so loved the world that he gave his only son...so that we may not perish..but have everlasting life. Understanding just what that means is the most significant hope of all.......
Hope you don't mind my perspective.
HD

 

[deanglen]

"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy."

--From Hamlet (I, v, 166-167)

 

[Viola]

There'd be a solution to that, dear lady, if we weren't so geographically separated: go halves on the cost, and work on learning it together...

And for personal experiences: I've had too many things go my way that just should not have for it to be luck, or coincidence. Call it karma, or fate, or God (as I believe), but there is no question in my mind that something is taking very good care of me for some reason, probably better care than I deserve...

That'd be fun, but you can't underestimate my lack of talent in that area. Most of what I know I learned before I was eight, the rest has a hard time sticking. [huh]

I know what you mean about Something. I've explored other faiths but I've never not had that feeling of Something, even when I was most religiously confused.

Personally I'm still kind of searching around for where I fit in, but I know for me there's always Something.

 

[Diamondback]

That'd be fun, but you can't underestimate my lack of talent in that area. Most of what I know I learned before I was eight, the rest has a hard time sticking. [huh]

But you'd be surprised at how much "lack of skill" a lot of will can make up for... linguistics is a slow field for me as well, I tend to have problems due to my weak short-term memory. Besides, speaking for myseelf at least, the effort would sure be fun...

BTW, the comment about "Something" was intended to help nudge the thread back onto the course the starter intended. So what do I end up doing, but to take it right back fftopic: lol

 

[Viola]

Don't blame me, my closing paragraph was back on topic.

I guess I'm prone to introspection right now as we are right on the cusp of the Jewish New Year and Day of Atonement. These holidays always tend to help me look at where I am, and where I want to go. <---LOOK THERE'S THE TOPIC.lol

 

[carter]

Originally posted by Diamondback
BTW, the comment about "Something" was intended to help nudge the thread back onto the course the starter intended.

Well DB, Moustache started this thread as a poll and because (he) "really enjoy(s) the conversations and thoughts therin."

I think that is the intended course and I believe discussions of learning a language to further your knowledge are appropriate. However, thanks for the nudge.

I think we find ourselves on shaky ground, as far as the Fedora Lounge is concerned, when posts are made that are A. judgmental and/or B. evangelical in nature.

When we keep within the guidelines of conversation and non-judgmental thought, I believe we are within the intended boundaries. When we stray outside those limits, this thread will, in all probability, be shut-down.

I encourage us all to bear this in mind.

Carter

 

[surely]

"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy."

--From Hamlet (I, v, 166-167)

What does that latin quote mean deanglen? I get something like silence and moral strength go together like a . . .

When I had my experience of being within the presence of God {ok, ok, yes it was lsd et al} I did not speak. But ever since, whenever in the presence of dissimulators and dissemblers, a compulsion overcomes me to do my part to set the record straight.

does anyone think my posts have been "A. judgmental and/or B. evangelical in nature."?

 

[Diamondback]

Hey, Miss V, I had already jumped on the "blame-grenade"... (yep, who'da ever expected Da Merc to "take one for the team"?lol) and in your situation, it's entirely natural to be introspective at this time of year. (My own such streaks are usually roughly from Labor Day to Valentine's Day...)

Carter, not trying to play Bartender--got slapped down already once fr straying in that direction... my OffTopic calls here are an attempt to poke fun at my own vulnerability to tangents, not to rip anyone else.

Good call on the two "live wires"--I've always believed one's relationship (or non-relationship, as the case may be) with one's Creator to be a highly subjective, individual thing-- religious/spiritual path that's right for one person might be dead-wrong for another. But that's just one person's opinion, YMMV...

 

[surely]

carter

"When we keep within the guidelines of conversation and non-judgmental thought, I believe we are within the intended boundaries. When we stray outside those limits, this thread will, in all probability, be shut-down."


Carter's quote. I just want to highlight it.

 

[Diamondback]

Hence my "subjective, individual" comment, sir. (Not claiming the supremacy of any one viewpoint, just acknowledging that different experiences lead different people different places. Respecting everyone else's different positions, asking only the same in return.)