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I've watched professional football... man and boy since I was 6 years old. I've watched all or a portion of EVERY Superbowl ever played. All in all Ive watched it about 52 years. I have NEVER... EVER seen so stupid a play call to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in my entire life. HH you may hate Seattle's behavior... you're entitled to that... but I'll take that behavior over that of the Patriots organization and their fans anyday. Just my opinion.

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I don't understand how any team's group of fans can be assigned a blanket negative label. There are enough idiots for all teams and plenty of good as well. I live in 49er loving country; I despise the team, but I would never say that they are all idiots. As for the Seahawks, most of the team seems to be okay people, it is just a few loudmouths that have made so many feel that they are all idiots.
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I don't understand how any team's group of fans can be assigned a blanket negative label. Their are enough idiots for all teams and plenty of good as well. I live in 49er loving country, but I despise the them, but I would never say that they are all idiots. As for the Seahawks, most of the team seems to be okay people, it is just a few loudmouths that have made so many feel that they are all idiots.
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NYC is kind of a science experiment for how fans of different teams can be different in that we have two football teams that use the same stadium. I have gone to both Jets and Giant games and the fan base is very different. The Giant fan base is older and quieter overall; whereas, the Jet fan base is younger and definitely rowdier.

Those are generalization about a "crowd" and, of course, I'm not saying every Jet or Giant fan is like this. But you absolutely feel the difference when you go to the different teams' games.
 

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I'm not talking about yesterday's game in isolation. The Seahawks are poor winners...pumping their chests and denigrating their opponents. I have no use for that kind of "sportsmanship".
I hate to agree with this, but Seattle did prove to be poor losers, and surprisingly, New England proved to be mostly good winners. How were they good winners? They did a decent job of not going on and on and on about winning the game...because they didn't win the game. Luck fell on their side, and a good sport doesn't rub that into the loser. They know the difference, and that awareness was apparent in most of their interviews. I didn't expect either to act like they did.

It was good luck that the receiver had the ball drop into his hands while he was on his back, and it was bad luck that two plays later the ball wasn't caught for a score or dropped for an incompletion. Both plays were a matter of luck. Do the same things another 99 times, and he wouldn't have caught the ball on his back, nor would have that interception happened. It's the accidentz in athletics.

There was just as much logic to that throw as there was logic to let whatshisname run it in. 2nd down is a passing down. 99/100 times, that was anything but an interception (a drop, a score, a null gain). The NE field was loaded down with big bodies prepared for a rush and not a pass. And the list might go on and on. When all the armchair quarterbacks and coaches have the success Pete Carroll has had, I'll consider their opinion. It wasn't nearly as bad a call as people are making it out to be.

I don't care who won, but I do care about sportsmanship. It matters above all. Children and the ignorant are watching this game. Be a role model. In other words, don't be scum.
 
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I hate to agree with this, but Seattle did prove to be poor losers, and surprisingly, New England proved to be mostly good winners. How were they good winners? They did a decent job of not going on and on and on about winning the game...because they didn't win the game. Luck fell on their side, and a good sport doesn't rub that into the loser. They know the difference, and that awareness was apparent in most of their interviews. I didn't expect either to act like they did.

It was good luck that the receiver had the ball drop into his hands while he was on his back, and it was bad luck that two plays later the ball wasn't caught for a score or dropped for an incompletion. Both plays were a matter of luck. Do the same things another 99 times, and he wouldn't have caught the ball on his back, nor would have that interception happened. It's the accidentz in athletics.

There was just as much logic to that throw as there was logic to let whatshisname run it in. 2nd down is a passing down. 99/100 times, that was anything but an interception (a drop, a score, a null gain). The NE field was loaded down with big bodies prepared for a rush and not a pass. And the list might go on and on. When all the armchair quarterbacks and coaches have the success Pete Carroll has had, I'll consider their opinion. It wasn't nearly as bad a call as people are making it out to be.

I don't care who won, but I do care about sportsmanship. It matters above all. Children and the ignorant are watching this game. Be a role model. In other words, don't be scum.

I'm not into football, but I did catch the last plays or whatever they are called at the ending of the game & it was
excitingly surreal in a way. I agree with you about the behavior when fists started flying...I felt sad for the
fans having to watch their players behave like this.
I play tennis & watch the pros all the time. Imagining what if a Federer, Nadal or Djokovic behaved this way after a match. :eeek:
 
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It was good luck that the receiver had the ball drop into his hands while he was on his back, and it was bad luck that two plays later the ball wasn't caught for a score or dropped for an incompletion. Both plays were a matter of luck. Do the same things another 99 times, and he wouldn't have caught the ball on his back, nor would have that interception happened. It's the accidentz in athletics.

The interception at the end of the game had absolutely nothing to do with luck, and everything to do with study, preparation and execution. The pass didn't just fall into the defender's hands. He was in the right place at the right time because he'd studied the offensive formation, recognized the play and executed his responsibility.
 

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I play tennis & watch the pros all the time. Imagining what if a Federer, Nadal or Djokovic behaved this way after a match.
Djokovic acts worse. Did you see the Australian Open final? Some call that gamesmanship. I don't. Acting like you have a broken thumb, and then acting like you have heat stroke and can hardly walk or see straight. Playing possum as it is referred. It's an ugly side of today's tennis.

The interception at the end of the game had absolutely nothing to do with luck, and everything to do with study, preparation and execution. The pass didn't just fall into the defender's hands. He was in the right place at the right time because he'd studied the offensive formation, recognized the play and executed his responsibility.
We'll have to at least partially disagree. The interception wasn't without merit, just as the receiver two plays prior adhered to fundamentals and kept his eye on the ball, but there was a lot of bad and good fortune in that moment. As I said, they could run that play 100 times, and an interception would occur a very small percentage.
 

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Tennis is NOT football. lol lol

Really, I didn't know that, Thanks for setting me straight ( insert sarcastic smiley here)


To Mr. Shackleton;
I recorded the mens Australian finals & I haven't watched it completely.
I only watched a little in the beginning, but the weather was nice & I went out to hit.
I saw parts of the semis when I saw similar situation with Mr. Djokovic doing his injury thing.
I play tournaments & injuries like that occur all the time. But I try to play on & not keep
my opponents waiting or playing "mind games". I rather win just playing tennis otherwise,
I don't feel like I won if I have to do those things..but that's the way I feel.
It's sad to see pros behave this way.

btw: Please don't tell me who won ! Thanks...:p


On second thought..I better log off...I have a feeling that guy who is always telling
me to "Stay Thirsty My Friend "...might just give away the scores...bye-bye.
 
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After reading the last few days of comments, all I can say is, I'm so glad I no longer live and die because of televised sporting events!
 
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The interception at the end of the game had absolutely nothing to do with luck, and everything to do with study, preparation and execution. The pass didn't just fall into the defender's hands. He was in the right place at the right time because he'd studied the offensive formation, recognized the play and executed his responsibility.

Yes to this - I read several articles before the Super Bowl about how Belichick grills his players about the other team's plays, patterns, etc. to the point that the players study the films insanely so as to not be embarrassed by Belichick questioning them in front of the other players. That interception was the direct result of Belichick's coaching and Butler's studying.

That said, I do agree that calling a passing play on 2nd down with 26 seconds and one time out is not ridiculous as, if they had run it and he was stopped, they would have to use their last time out. Then, third down would have to be a passing play (and New England would know it) or they would risk not being able to run a fourth down play if needed. Yes, a lot of nuance, and, no, this is not a perfect defense of the call, but I don't think it was 100% wrong as others seem to.
 
That said, I do agree that calling a passing play on 2nd down with 26 seconds and one time out is not ridiculous as, if they had run it and he was stopped, they would have to use their last time out. Then, third down would have to be a passing play (and New England would know it) or they would risk not being able to run a fourth down play if needed. Yes, a lot of nuance, and, no, this is not a perfect defense of the call, but I don't think it was 100% wrong as others seem to.

If you're hellbent on running four plays and passing one of them, I think third down was the one to do it. After the long catch, and Lynch's 4-yard run to the 1-yard line, I'd have pounded it. Of course, I wouldn't have passed any of them. I would have immediately went to the line and rammed it down the defense's throat. I wouldn't have wasted 40 seconds between first and second down.

Of course, when it comes to football, I'm a "three yards and a cloud of dust" kind of guy. You have to be able to line up and knock the other team off the line when you have to, even if they know it's coming. The Seahawks can do that. They had three plays to get one yard and win the championship. As the late, great Bum Philips said, "you dance with who brung you." Then again, whenever he was asked "what would you have done in that situation?", he always responded "give it to Earl." Which is also great advice.
 

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