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Good flick, often overlooked. Church surprised me in this one. You telling me Denzel can't play a cowboy. :confused:
I've watched that trailer about a half dozen times & I didn't see anyone who could play a cowboy. Hardly recognized the plot. Everything now days has to have comedic lines inserted into the dialog. If they did a remake of something from Shakespeare they would insert comedy. And rap music? The soundtrack from the original won all kinds of awards as I recall. I usually support every western movie that comes out just to support the genre in hopes that they will make a few good ones but I think I'll save my money this time. Yul Brenner will turn over in his grave.

And I agree Thomas Hayden Church was very good in Broken Trail & Tombstone.
 
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I've watched that trailer about a half dozen times & I didn't see anyone who could play a cowboy. Hardly recognized the plot. Everything now days has to have comedic lines inserted into the dialog. If they did a remake of something from Shakespeare they would insert comedy. And rap music? The soundtrack from the original won all kinds of awards as I recall. I usually support every western movie that comes out just to support the genre in hopes that they will make a few good ones but I think I'll save my money this time. Yul Brenner will turn over in his grave.

And I agree Thomas Hayden Church was very good in Broken Trail & Tombstone.

Shakespeare wrote many comedic lines in his plays. Some plays were full out comedies.
 

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HJ, I agree. There was plenty of humor in the original, subtle but there. More in a look or something unsaid. Contemporary music in a period piece drives me nuts but they're not trying to appeal to you and I.
I hold out hopes that my man Chris Pratt can manage to convince as a cowboy. Ever since Jurassic World I've believed he could play Indiana Jones in a new period-piece film, and make it work.

I'm trying to recall any humor in the original MS film aside from some scenes with Horst Buchholz, though. Dry cynicism and wit, yes. But then the line I recall best is Steve McQueen's quiet "We deal in lead, friend."
 
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I've watched that trailer about a half dozen times & I didn't see anyone who could play a cowboy. Hardly recognized the plot. Everything now days has to have comedic lines inserted into the dialog. If they did a remake of something from Shakespeare they would insert comedy. And rap music? The soundtrack from the original won all kinds of awards as I recall. I usually support every western movie that comes out just to support the genre in hopes that they will make a few good ones but I think I'll save my money this time. Yul Brenner will turn over in his grave.
Rap? I've only seen two trailers, and they both used a cover of The Animals' "House of the Rising Sun". I'm hoping that's only for the trailers and won't be used in the movie.

Regardless, the trailers give the impression that this will be one of those stylized, modernized, politically correct, "too cool for the room" movies in which every character is some sort of "specialist" and has to have their "moment" to show just how capable they are. :rolleyes:
 

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I've watched the trailer quite a few times too, hoping to find something I can grab onto but it's just dire. Looks to me like one of those staged gunfight shows in theme parks or a cosplay, with 21st century guys dressed in cowboy outfits, completely unblelieveable......you can almost feel the spectators , vehicules & film crews just off camera. Even the 'Magnificent Seven' TV show at the end of the 90's was better than this !
I like Denzel as much as the next guy, especially when he's kicking ass but in this movie he just looks so outta place....pratt appears as bland as usual & the other members of the cast are all equally forgettable. I certainly won't be paying to see this & when I find it online I imagine I will be using the fast forward quite a bit.
Reckon this movie is going to end up in the trash can along with ' Independence Day:resurgence'
Fortunately there have been some darn good westerns made over the last couple of years so we don't have to rely on this one to get our western fix. :rolleyes:


As for soundtracks I've got no problems with modern or even rap music in westerns, provided the film is original & stylish.
As for the soundtrack of this particular version of ''The Magnififcent seven' here's a looksee; http://www.soundtrack.net/album/the-magnificent-seven-2016/

Fortunately the excrutiatingly painful version of ' The House Of The rising Sun ' is just for the trailer...phew !!!
 
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Shakespeare wrote many comedic lines in his plays. Some plays were full out comedies.
Fruno, I don't get this. Everyone probably does know that Shakespeare wrote some comedic lines but the point is that he put the lines there himself when writing his original plays & he was writing in the humor of the yr 1590 or so. Fortunately no one has been "successful" that I can think of in seriously bringing to stage or screen one of his plays replete with modern day comedy or rap music. If they did then it wasn't even recognizable.

Another example is how several very good writers have continued writing mysteries in the style of Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's character of Sherlock Holmes. These writers have written new mysteries in the Sherlockian style & they are indistinguishable from those written by Doyle. Most are very good. With the exception of some emphasis placed on the drug use by Holmes by one particular writer (which was always there) the character of Sherlock Holmes has not really changed. The one attempt to "modernize" Holmes & Watson by making them gay because they are roommates fell on "deaf readers" & didn't sell very well. Those of us who enjoy reading the mysteries are greatfull to these writers for being true to the characters.
 
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Dry cynicism and wit, yes. But then the line I recall best is Steve McQueen's quiet "We deal in lead, friend."

I guess we're getting into semantics here but humor, for me, doesn't have to be a laugh out loud moment. Some of what I was thinking about when I wrote the post was how they were counting their numbers, "now we have three" and the scene where Bronson was recruited while chopping firewood for his breakfast and several times the looks exchanged between McQueen and Brynner.
 
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Fruno, I don't get this. Everyone probably does know that Shakespeare wrote some comedic lines but the point is that he put the lines there himself when writing his original plays & he was writing in the humor of the yr 1590 or so. Fortunately no one has been "successful" that I can think of in seriously bringing to stage or screen one of his plays replete with modern day comedy or rap music. If they did then it wasn't even recognizable.

Another example is how several very good writers have continued writing mysteries in the style of Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's character of Sherlock Holmes. These writers have written new mysteries in the Sherlockian style & they are indistinguishable from those written by Doyle. Most are very good. With the exception of some emphasis placed on the drug use by Holmes by one particular writer (which was always there) the character of Sherlock Holmes has not really changed. The one attempt to "modernize" Holmes & Watson by making them gay because they are roommates fell on "deaf readers" & didn't sell very well. Those of us who enjoy reading the mysteries are greatfull to these writers for being true to the characters.

Well, don't spend too much time trying to get it. I think I was feeling a it peevish and pedantic and busting your chops a bit over the Shakespeare reference.

You are obviously taking this flick more seriously than me. You have more invested in cowboy culture and native American culture than me, so you are looking at it differently. I just want a good story well told. I'm not as invested in who can play a cowboy, etc. I don't have the expectations you and bama have. As long as they don't break the fourth wall or make a Kardashian joke, I won't get too upset.

I have seen some modern adaptations of Shakespeare that were done well. Just don't ask me to name them right now.

But ignore my original comment. It's not worth your time.
 
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