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Introducing the Rusty...

fatwoul

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A couple of weeks ago, a member of this forum PM'd me asking me for my address, because he had something he wanted to send me. So I gave him what he wanted, and pretty soon, I box appeared at our door.

I listened to the box, and made sure it wasn't ticking, and with some trepidation, opened it. Inside, there was not just one, but two hats, and a note:

"Thought you would like a real farm straw...It does not have a visor but thought you would enjoy it. As to the western, I was thinking you could soak it in de-natured alcohol (according to Steve Delk it will take some of the stiffener out) and then you could put a TVA crown in it and also put a little wider ribbon on it.

Take care and good luck!"


I'll post the straw hat later, but identical ones have recently been posted around the forum. It fits well and I know will come in handy once the summer returns. Apparently this hat has already served its previous owner well, and I am honoured to be the next wearer.

The western was a black hat made by Renegade. It was dusty and a bit squished, but the felt was intact and I could see it had a decent crown height to it. I didn't take a picture because I was too keen to start working on it, but I found a similar hat on eBay. Try to imagine a battered version of this:

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I took off the ribbon and picked out the headband, steamed the hat plenty, and tried to put it onto my new HatShaper (which arrived a couple of weeks ago). The hat was pretty stiff, so it fought a bit. I took the hat and soaked in in a warm shower, and tried again. It worked onto the shaper wonderfully. I let the hat dry on the shaper, and after a day in the conservatory, it looked like this:

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I was really pleased with this result. Considering the HatShaper only cost me about $40, and so was considerably cheaper than a proper wooden hatblock, I thought it did a very good job. Not that I've ever used a real hatblock, of course. Anyway, I was pleased.

I should have taken more pictures as I progressed, but again, I forgot.

So next I stitched the headband back in. It took a while, but I tacked it in front, back, left and right to hold it in place while I sewed it in properly.

Once that was done, I trimmed the brim down from its 4" to 2.5" non-dimensional. I didn't want this one to be dimensional, so I could see what a non-dimensional brim of this size looks like on me. This hat is, afterall, my first really effective learning tool.

Next, I worked on the bash. As per the recommendation (and my own plans), I put a TVA-ish diamond into it. It's not very TVA-accurate, partly because I had to telescope the centre of the crown to fit my head in, but I really like the shape, and I think it suits the hat.

Today, I put the ribbon on. I went for one of those little bows I like, but I don't know what they are called.

So without further delay, I present you with the Rusty:

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Not only am I pleased with the results, I am delighted at the chance it gave me to learn some things I've never done before. In particular, the chance to remove and reattach a headband was a good experience, and will make my next attempt that much easier.

If you haven't already guessed, this hat came from RBH. I've never encountered such generosity from someone I've never met before. Like this hat, Fedora Lounge has a diamond in it. One of the really genuine and generous members of the forum.

Thanks, Rusty.
 

deanglen

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RBH is what makes the hat forum of the Lounge what it is, he is every bit the heart and soul of the place. You are blessed to have him as a friend, FW! And your creation does him, and the hat, justice. 'Atta boy to both of you! I love this shot:

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You shall go on to ever greater levels of hat modding fun! It's addictive. I know first hand.

dean
 

Duck

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Great job!!!

Fats, you did a great job on the hat :eusa_clap :eusa_clap It sure is fun to work over the hats!! You and Dean are so right, it is the quality of members such as RBH, that make this forum so great!!:) :)
Maybe we need to form a Black Fedoras Modded From Cowboy Hats society lol lol . Or not:D :D
 

fatwoul

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deanglen said:
RBH is what makes the hat forum of the Lounge what it is, he is every bit the heart and soul of the place. You are blessed to have him as a friend, FW!...

Indeed, we all are. This place - and my hat collection - are richer for his involvment.

deanglen said:
...And your creation does him, and the hat, justice. 'Atta boy to both of you!

I hope so. That's why I named it the way I did. Think of this hat as a newbie's tribute to one of the real stars of this little online show.

deanglen said:
...I love this shot...

Yeah, yeah. I nearly cracked my face smiling.

deanglen said:
...You shall go on to ever greater levels of hat modding fun! It's addictive. I know first hand.

Yes I am finding the same thing.

BJBAmerica said:
Looks Fantastic, outstanding job!!!

Thanks, BJB. I can't wait to work on my next one.

Razzman said:
Great job. Nice looking hat. Congratulations:

Thank you, Razz. The support and encouragement of forum members is another one of the most exceptional things about this online community.

Duck said:
Fats, you did a great job on the hat It sure is fun to work over the hats!! You and Dean are so right, it is the quality of members such as RBH, that make this forum so great!!
Maybe we need to form a Black Fedoras Modded From Cowboy Hats society. Or not

Actually, I also have you to thank, Duck - it was the work you did on that black Resistol in your avatar that inspired me to start hunting around for cowboy hats to experiment with. OK, so the felt can be a lot stiffer and thicker, but you can pick up a nice western on eBay for a lot less than fedoras, and the alterations are fun to do.

I know you were only half serious, but I do think that a society dedicated to converted westerns would be worth starting. There's at least the two of us, and I have another western on the way I may end up altering. We need to come up with a name, though.

tonyb said:
Really, really impressive, fatwoul. With that thick cowboy hat felt, it oughta make a great lid to wear on a winter's night, eh?

Thanks tony - I surprised myself. This hat thing must be easier than I thought if I can manage it!

I think you're right about the thick felt. It certainly feels warm.

I forgot to mention, that although I didn't have any de-natured alcohol, I have managed to soften the felt a little using something else...Smirnoff!

I used a tiny misting bottle filled with black label Smirnoff, and sprayed the hat inside and out, and it did seem to help soften it. Together with working it in my hands, the stiffener is working out nicely.

So maybe the hat isn't a Rusty as much as it is a Ruski! :D I edited a typo I made included in the quote you used from my post above.

dean
 

RBH

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WOW, first off that is a great fedora!!!
2nd, I truly do not know what to say.... except thank you Fats, Dean and Duck for the very kind words.

Now to the nitty gritty.. That fedora looks fantastic! Fats you did a wonderful job, truly one of the best conversions I have seen, bar none!

I love this photo ... You did a really sweet job on the ribbon, I had thought a thinner ribbon when I sent it, but now I dont think you could have done any better than the one you have.

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For the record here is a photo of the hat before I sent it.. and it is a 3x fur felt.

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It was great seeing the 'grin' on Fats in the photo he posted, he has the kind of enthusiasm for hats that will carry the love of fedoras onward. And he will be one of the great voices of the Fedora Lounge !
 

LEUII

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Fats, that is great! I love that shot of you. It is hard to believe it was a westen hat.

And, yes, Rusty is a great fellow. Shoot, he's from the best part of the world. That sure helps!
 

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I'll have to say, fats, that your humor is much better than your hat refurbish. ok ok at least as good. ;)
Just yesterday I was suggesting to my neighbor who has a big head (pun intended) to get westerns and convert them. I see some business potential here.
Nice presentation of the story line & pics.
To my eye, the hat band seems too linear; but otherwise :eusa_clap :eusa_clap :eusa_clap :eusa_clap :eusa_clap
 

J.T.Marcus

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fatwoul, What do you say to somebody who hits perfection with the first try?
Good job (but that seems like such an understatement)! :eusa_clap :eusa_clap :eusa_clap :eusa_clap
 
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WOW, what a great conversion. Amazing job. I Love the bow. :eusa_clap
 

fatwoul

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RBH said:
WOW, first off that is a great fedora!!!
2nd, I truly do not know what to say.... except thank you Fats, Dean and Duck for the very kind words...

We said nothing that wasn't due. It was a kind thing you did, and not for the first time.

RBH said:
Now to the nitty gritty.. That fedora looks fantastic! Fats you did a wonderful job, truly one of the best conversions I have seen, bar none!

I love this photo ... You did a really sweet job on the ribbon, I had thought a thinner ribbon when I sent it, but now I dont think you could have done any better than the one you have...

When I sent my sister on the mission to get the ribbon, she also got some 5/8th inch grosgrain (the only thickness that grosgrain was available in). I tried it, and it did give the illusion of greater crown height, but I really wanted to try making one of those style bows, which I think would have looked too small with 5/8". Like most other aspects of a hat (except brim size), nothing is forever, so maybe one day when I am going through a thin ribbon phase, I could try one on this hat.

RBH said:
...For the record here is a photo of the hat before I sent it.. and it is a 3x fur felt...

Thanks for posting those. I knew as soon as I stripped the hat down that I should have photographed it first.

That is definitely not how it looked when it arrived! After it had been in that box for a week it was a lot more...compact lol but that's the great thing about this thick felt is the abuse it seems to be able to take. It was so rewarding to see the shape change from the scrunched up cowboy hat to the nice clean dome I managed to get.

RBH said:
...It was great seeing the 'grin' on Fats in the photo he posted, he has the kind of enthusiasm for hats that will carry the love of fedoras onward. And he will be one of the great voices of the Fedora Lounge !

Right back at you. Your own enthusiasm is one of the things that held my interest in this forum when I first visited.

Thanks again. :D

LEUII said:
Fats, that is great! I love that shot of you. It is hard to believe it was a westen hat...

I know, it's really surprising. When I first pulled it off the HatShaper, I tried it on for comic effect, with the brim still 4 inches. I looked like one of the Three Amigos. Man, I really should have taken more pictures. lol

LEUII said:
And, yes, Rusty is a great fellow. Shoot, he's from the best part of the world. That sure helps!

He's from the Southwest UK? I never knew that. ;)

surely said:
I'll have to say, fats, that your humor is much better than your hat refurbish. ok ok at least as good...

Thank you. Good to know my silly jokes don't irritate people too much. :)

surely said:
...Just yesterday I was suggesting to my neighbor who has a big head (pun intended) to get westerns and convert them. I see some business potential here...

Like I was saying, I think for those of us wanting to get more hats in our collection, and learn some of the tricks of the trade along the way, converting westerns could be the way to go. We all know that the quality beaver fedoras on eBay tend to go for more money these days, and I suspect I'm not the only newbie who feels a little intimidated bidding for them, knowing some of the real experts from Fedora Lounge are probably bidding too. A quick scount around eBay shows that you can often get hold of some very nice beaver felt at a much cheaper price if you look at the westerns. Right now I am waiting for a brown Resistol western to show up from California. It's going to be a little big for me, but I originally bought it as a photography hat - the big brim will help keep the rain off my camera. However, depending how it looks if/when it shows up, there's a good chance it's just going to end up being converted.

surely said:
Nice presentation of the story line & pics.
To my eye, the hat band seems too linear; but otherwise :eusa_clap

Thanks. I note your observation about the ribbon, but as I was saying I chose it based on what could expand my experience, more than what would work on the hat. To my mind it works fine, but there's no reason it won't change some day.

I think why I like it is because of its simplicity. Because it's a black hat, I'm seeing it as being my "Sunday Best". If I was a church-goer, this would be the hat I'd wear to church. Instead, as an agnostic, this is the hat I'll be wearing to purgatory. :D

L HATLEY said:
THAT HAS TO BE THE BEST CONVERSON I HAVE SEEN

Thanks Hatley glad you like it. I mustn't forget to post the straw one too. I have the perfect glasses to wear with it.

J.T.Marcus said:
fatwoul, What do you say to somebody who hits perfection with the first try?
Good job (but that seems like such an understatement)

Wow thanks JT. A compliment like that means a lot coming from someone as experienced and knowledgeable as yourself.

I think at this point, I have to pick people up on their use of the term "good job". In my mind, mucking about with hats is no job. It's just a pleasure.

Fatdutchman said:
WHAT is this HatShaper of which you speak???? I MUST have one!!!

You can find more about HatShapers by visiting the home of them here:

http://www.hatshapers.com/

Really, they are designed for use in hand-felted hatmaking, but someone over on COW mentioned how they might be a cheap alternative to a hatblock for those of us who want to do interim reshaping, to give our hats more time between tapers/full reblocks.

The HatShaper I bought was the Straight Sided Dome. You will notice there is now a size listed called "Medium Plus", at 23 inches. Well, that's the one Chuck made up for me especially! He originally only listed the 22.5 and 23.5, but when I emailed him explaining to him what I needed, he bent over backwards to find a way to get me the 23 inches I was after. He ended up created a new mold just for the job, and told me he would add the size to his site. I really can't recommend the HatShaper enough. As a basic shape for use newbies to learn with, it works wonderfully, and at only $33, it is a tenth the price of a proper wooden hatblock.

Drop Chuck & Carol an email, and I'm sure they'll be able to help you. Tell them Robin sent you. ;)

Thumbs said:
WOW, what a great conversion. Amazing job. I Love the bow.

Thank you Marcelle. Glad to see you're sticking around. :)
 

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Wow.....

Holy Smokes......Fats, that is, by far the best conversion I've ever seen, truly amazing dude.....and the grin in that picture really shows how proud you are of it as well.

I love the ribbon treatment & the bow, especially. :eusa_clap
 

fatwoul

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bolthead said:
Holy Smokes......Fats, that is, by far the best conversion I've ever seen, truly amazing dude.....and the grin in that picture really shows how proud you are of it as well.

I love the ribbon treatment & the bow, especially. :eusa_clap

Thanks bolt. I'm really bowled over at the response my hat has got. It's really encouraged me to do more.

Not that I really needed much encouragement of course... :eek:

It was with trepidation that I posted the hat in the first place. As a newbie in a forum full of real experts and professionals, it's intimidating to show something like this, but the response has been so supportive I really can't thank you all enough.
 

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Whoa!

I just picked up this thread, having skipped over it a time or two & all I can say is HOME RUN!
Ya' knocked it outta the ballpark! It looks super & the ribbon treatment, the ribbon, it is absolutly brilliant! To say nothing of the crown bash, near perfect.
Which hat shaper did you use? I have a straight sided dome & it doesn't produce results nearly so satisfactory. Very accomplished, really very well done, looks good on ya' too. :eusa_clap
 

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Fatwoul, the HatShaper looks awesome. I intend to get one. I will assume that the 23" one will yield a hat probably in the 22 1/2" (size 7 1/8) range (with the sweat attached)?????

With one of these at my disposal, I can have virtually any hat I desire, Muah, hah, hah, haaaah!

That hat you did is pretty durn slick! ;)
 

fatwoul

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Rick Blaine said:
...Which hat shaper did you use? I have a straight sided dome & it doesn't produce results nearly so satisfactory. Very accomplished, really very well done, looks good on ya' too. :eusa_clap

Thanks Rick. Interesting that your HatShaper doesn't work for you as well as this one did. Possible differences might be:

1) The size - I know some of the shapers have different crown heights. I think mine is pretty much exactly 6" from the top of the base to top of crown.

2) The felt - I was really able to work the felt on pretty rough-handedly because the felt was so thick. With thinner felt I'd be worried I might damage the felt, so if I was going more carefully I might not have the same success.

3) How do you use yours? As I mentioned, when I tried steam from a kettle, it just didn't loosen the hat up enough to get it over the shaper, but once I completely drenched the hat in the shower, it went onto the shaper much easier. I didn't tie it down, but the felt didn't seem to shrink much in the drying if at all. I guess if shrinkage worries you, you can use the ribs at the base of the stretcher to tie the hat down with cord to limit the shrink.

Anyway, if you haven't tried drenching a hat, I reckon you should try it with one that doesn't matter, and try your shaper again.

Good luck. :)

Fatdutchman said:
Fatwoul, the HatShaper looks awesome. I intend to get one. I will assume that the 23" one will yield a hat probably in the 22 1/2" (size 7 1/8) range (with the sweat attached)?????

With one of these at my disposal, I can have virtually any hat I desire, Muah, hah, hah, haaaah!

That hat you did is pretty durn slick! ;)

Thanks Fdm - Actually, my head size is also 23inches, so this shaper does give a little taper once it is used. I didn't go for a 23.5 incher because I discussed the use of hatblocks for reshaping (as opposed to reblocking) with Dr Seuss over on COW, and he suggested getting a size smaller than I would normally get.

Reshaping is when you just plonk the hat on the shaper with the band still in it. The idea is just to restore the shape of the top of the crown, for changing bashes or reducing taper - clearly nowhere near as involved as a full reblock, and means you don't lose your hats for months while someone reblocks it for you. That was the intention behind this HatShaper, and although I have used it in that way, I prefer to remove the headband anyway.

If you want to get one for reblocking, then I guess you'd want to get a size larger, for the reason you mentioned. If you're only planning on using it for reshaping, with the headband in place, you need to get a smaller one so it will fit into the headband without a huge struggle.

By no means do I propose these are as good as proper hat blocks. They are designed for a different purpose altogether, and of course a wooden hat block is the best way to go for those with lots of spare money. But for those of us wishing to learn a little more about shaping and blocking, and how the felt behaves, this is an affordable way to experiment.

Also keep in mind that another difference is these shapers have a flat base to them, so their height is the absolute crown height possible in any hat you put on them. If you want a 6.5 inch crown, you won't get it with one of these. But if you want a 5.5-6 inch crown, they are fine.
 

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