Gilda

[Feraud]

Am I thinking of the same movie? Did everyone else see the censored version? I saw it on the big screen as a child and then twice or more on VHS since then: it was about two gay guys and the woman who didn't realize they were gay. Am I remembering wrong?

I considered that angle too and find it weak. Personally I feel the gay reference is a politically correct afterthought. Seriously, how would a woman come between two gay guys?? :eusa_doh:
Both Farrel and Munson married Gilda? Is that the actions of gay men?? I have an article on the gay aspect in Gilda. It reads like creative revisionism to justify the existance of "Gay Hollywood". Dialogue can be construed to find hidden or non-existent meaning if we wish. Religious fanatics do it all the time.

 

[BegintheBeguine]

So it is the same movie

Hm, I dunno. I didn't read any articles or reviews of Gilda except this thread but my ex-fiance's dad came out about 35 years ago and one of my gay guy friends is a grandfather so they do get married. I even had a boyfriend who moved out of town 25 years ago so he wouldn't have to tell people he was gay. I see your point although that is not how I came to the plot outline of the movie. Who knows why people do what they do?

 

[Feraud]

You are absolutely right. I have no doubt in reality gay men marry, "come out" late, etc.

In terms of the film I find the idea that Johnny and Ballin were lovers as flimsy. Not impossible, but flimsy.
Dialogue about the "three of us" meaning Johnny, Ballin, and his walking stick/dagger , or reference to "women and gambling do not mix" can be taken literally as heterosexual discussion between two guys. People can look to a double entendre to mean whatever they want. That is how subjective film can be.

I agree with what Jack Scorpion said about Gilda having great dialogue. It certain does. My lack of satisfaction with the movie is more about the weak plot and lack of character dynamic.

 

[BegintheBeguine]

I wasn't quite convinced they were lovers, just pining for each other or some such mush. Well, I was a kid when I first saw it. I confess I fast-forward through some parts to get on with the action and for me watching a movie again is often like watching for the first time because my memory is spotty. Gonna borrow ir from the library next time I go into work, I love Rita Hayworth anyway and now I want to watch it again.

 

[Feraud]

I am currently spending some quality time with the lovely Gilda.
Let us see if she (or I ) has changed since our last encounter..

 

[Ed Bass]

I considered that angle too and find it weak. It reads like creative revisionism to justify the existance of "Gay Hollywood". Dialogue can be construed to find hidden or non-existent meaning if we wish. Religious fanatics do it all the time.

Feraud,
You are "spot on" with this post.
Trying to re-interpret or find non-existent hidden meanings for special interest justification is pure folly.
Best, Toots

 

[RitaHayworth]

LOL.....it's obvious that you have never been a woman scorned............

There have been many, many, many movies that are better............but to me I'll take Gilda over Casablanca anyday...........but then I'm a girl.........for me Gilda is the female answer to the Boy's Club Casablanca........

Poor Gilda! She was a woman scorned - and Johnny was going to know it!

I personally loved this movie from the first time I saw it. I will agree there is not a strong plot, but I just love it for the Ford/Hayworth chemistry, the innuendo, the lines and the ever so charming and captivating Rita.

Its no wonder she says "Every man I knew went to bed with Gilda... and woke up with me"

 

[Midnight Palace]

Here's my Gilda review if anyone's interested

http://www.midnightpalace.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=55

 

[Miss Brill]

I don't like Gilda or Casablanca. I think Rita, like Hedy, Lana, Betty, Ava, Marilyn, and a hundred other stars are best when viewed only in photographs & newsreels. I'd rather watch Myrna Loy, Ann Sheridan, Simone Simon, Frances Dee, Gene Tierney & Veronica Lake any day.

 

[~*Red*~]

I usually will watch Gilda whenever it comes on, but I mostly enjoy watching it for Rita's singing and dancing. In fact I only like a few of Rita's movies, for the same reasons.. Cover Girl, My Gal Sal...

 

[Feraud]

Is this really a Noir styled film?

Aside from some very snappy dialogue, the beautiful Hayworth (not a femme fatale), Glenn Ford's cool, and Mccready's menace, this film is an o.k. 40s melodrama.
I will not give away the ending but... what a letdown.

What gives?

 

[Jack Scorpion]

Is this really a Noir styled film?

Aside from some very snappy dialogue, the beautiful Hayworth (not a femme fatale), Glenn Ford's cool, and Mccready's menace, this film is an o.k. 40s melodrama.
I will not give away the ending but... what a letdown.

What gives?

It is considered a cross-over film. Cross noir melodrama. The noir element is very heavy I think; self-destructive characters committing character suicide. The melodrama aspect of the film does seem to take over at the end, but I still think the movie is fantastic and one of my favorite noir movies.

The dialogue is just so darn snappy.