Can You Help Me Date This?

[epr25]

I know there is a thread somewhere with this.... I need some help from the gentlemen here. I found this today. I am assuming it's a tuxedo jacket. No tags are present to help with the dating. Any help would be appreciated!

 

[Flat Foot Floey]

It's not a tuxedo jacket. It is a frock coat for formal day wear. I can't date it but it was popular in the decades before the 1920s.

 

[epr25]

I so it wouldn't necessarily have matching pants?

 

[Flat Foot Floey]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frock_coat

It can be worn with striped trousers. I can't tell you much more than this. It's not my preffered time frame. [huh] Try google.

 

[GBR]

Frock coat for morning/day wear. Striped trousers most usually. 1910-20

 

[dhermann1]

It would actually have been considered old fashioned by the 20's. I believe the frock coat goes back to Lincoln's time. What's interesting to me is that the front corners seem to have a little buit of a curve. A 19th century forck coat would have a pretty square shape down there. It almost seems like a transition from frock coat to a cutaway coat. Marc? Can you help here?

 

[Ed]

The relatively high buttoning three-button front suggests a 19th century morning coat, but it could also be a more
recently made theatrical costume.

 

[Qirrel]

This is a pretty common example of a morning coat as worn in the late 19th and early 20th century. Not very easy to pinpoint a year. A good approximation would be 1880s-1910s.

 

[Cobden]

I'd go with Qirrel dating. The only time you see three button morning coats more recently is the uniform of Eton College, but the cuff design and lapel shape suggests that it isn't one of them

 

[Qirrel]

I'd go with Qirrel dating. The only time you see three button morning coats more recently is the uniform of Eton College, but the cuff design and lapel shape suggests that it isn't one of them

And the lining looks to be that glossy cotton I've seen referred to as "Italian" in period texts. That lining was pretty much out by the 20s. The sleeve, too, is of a cut that disappeared during the 20s.

 

[Shangas]

Certainly not a tuxedo jacket!

It is a frock-coat.

Frock-coats were popular during the later-Victorian era up to the Edwardian era. They were pretty dead by the 20s, when lounge-suits (the modern suit) started replacing it. The shorter, fitted jacket that we have today became more popular than the longer, heavier, more dressy frock-coat.