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I look forward to reading a thread devoted to "Problems with Bill Kelso", or does their affiliate status with this forum protect them here?
Why not?
The other thread has been closed so betron I'll reply to you here. I think you did call him a troll, and I think you called me one too. So if you or anyone else has a gripe with me do it in an open way and don't weasel around.
I kept out of that thread until some contrary views turned up in the love in but I don't see why we all can't write honestly about our experiences. Or should the thread only allow good reviews of Aero? I've written about them elsewhere, but I call things as I see them and if I have a poor experience I'll write about that too. It's also interesting that some people who object are the same people who jump into AL and other threads and slag those companies off when they have no experience of them at all. But hypocrisy is to be expected I suppose.
I don't like this as well. If we come back to the Amazon review-system, this would be like gathering all negative comments about all products Amazon in one place while the praise can be seen at each product individual. Not fair.
Sloan, I don't see why you are demanding for the mods to close this thread? You and some others have been the source of quite some glowing reviews about Aero, supporting and amplifying each other, congratulating each who depicted a freshly bought jacket on the terrific fit, be it true or not, so why not one thread with not so good experiences? You guys were slamming AL for example whereever possible, but Aero must stay out of critizism? Is the company holy or what? I thought you were a journalist? Freedom of speech anybody?
I agree a "bad experience"-thread might attract trolls, so a more vigilant moderation could be necessary, but civilized people should be able to discuss this in a polite and educated manner, without trolling.
If the FL is going to fall into the murky waters of only allowing positive threads on affiliates it becomes nothing more than advertising in disguise. Is that why we come here?
Other threads have been locked down way before this for the poster re-opening closed topics to continue the "debate".
Make it a free-for-all, then. Everyone should be allowed to pile on. But we know the sort of fight that will cause and the tensions that exist here already and are going to get worse from next Monday onwards.
I look forward to reading a thread devoted to "Problems with Bill Kelso", or does their affiliate status with this forum protect them here?
The problem for these companies is that they allow modifications. This is a big mistake, IMO, for a customer who you cannot see and will never meet to check proper fit. Other than a very basic shortening of sleeves etc., the product should be the product; the customer is not part of the creative process (for all their pretension otherwise), and should not be. It is the mistake of the companies, IMO, to pander to the customer's ego and convince them otherwise. Only problems can result.
TBH I don't have a problem with threads started expressing a negative experience of a maker. Plenty of threads are started here expressing positive experiences and the contrary ones add to them to give a fuller, more realistic picture of a maker and what to possibly expect. No maker is perfect and mistakes, cock-ups are made. And don't forget that many, many threads have already been started here expressing a negative buying experience of plenty of makers. Aero are not, nor should they be, a sacred cow anymore than any other maker.
One thing which I don't like is how the Outerwear section has become increasingly bipartisan over the last year or two, sadly it seems in relation to some Aero fans who have attacked other makers and especially those members who have supported other makers - nearly always without any experience of dealing with the makers they so vehemently attack. The recent thread in which a new member (FredS) was belittled and insulted (which ended up having to be censured) was a real low point in the 7 years I've been a member here and typified how nasty things have gotten around here. Although I know Paddy is on the warpath now in relation to such behaviour so I doubt that anyone engaging in similar rudeness will last too long here as a member.
Really though, if you buy a jacket and you have a good experience and are happy, post it. Conversely if you aren't happy and have been treated unsatisfactorily post it as well. It all adds to the body of knowledge which the Outerwear section was (I imagine) started to create.
I don't agree with you there Baron. Big companies make what they make and take it or leave it. But smaller semi bespoke companies trade on the ability to make some changes to their designs.
Obviously it depends on whether the changes make the jacket just a bit different to the design or a complete disaster. But if it's the latter they can just say no if you really want that you'll have to go elsewhere; and if they do still want your custom but don't like what they're being asked to do to not put their label in it.
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And there have been numerous negative comments in various threads concerning LW so "all's fair in love and war" I suppose.