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'Atlas Shrugged' may yet come to the screen...
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The movie I want to see made is "Pallas" by L. Neil Smith.
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They're already cutting the best part.
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groooaaaaan!
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Senator Jack said:
Including that speech is the movie equivalent of saying "IF YOU DIDNT GET IT NOW WE'LL HAND IT TO YOU ON A PLATE." If the masses want philosophy after seeing the movie, which would be nice, they can read The Virtue of Selfishness.
I'm terrified of the casting for this movie. NO ONE could possibly be good enough for John Galt.
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You haven't met me.
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Oh, sorry, that was just the ego talking.
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Hah, I was beeing cheeky. Though I read three of her books, I actually don't care for her philosophy and found her to be a bit nutty.
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In a few words....
http://www.working-minds.com/galtmini.htm
Here is a condensed version of Galt's speech. Now who could disagree with that kind thinking. Never mind - I already know!
I hope they include at least this version in the movie as it is the essence of the entire plot.
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http://www.working-minds.com/galtmini.htm
Here is a condensed version of Galt's speech. Now who could disagree with that kind thinking. Never mind - I already know!
I hope they include at least this version in the movie as it is the essence of the entire plot.
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Anybody see the Helen Mirren film The Passion of Ayn Rand? Was it any good? Of course, I could watch Mirren wash dishes and love it.
Anybody see the Helen Mirren film The Passion of Ayn Rand? Was it any good? Of course, I could watch Mirren wash dishes and love it.
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Yes!
Well done - and Mirren was excellent! It shows Rand as a human being, including her faults, foibles, and yes, her hypocrisy - just like you and me really!
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Well done - and Mirren was excellent! It shows Rand as a human being, including her faults, foibles, and yes, her hypocrisy - just like you and me really!
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....but I'd sure love to! We can chat while we stand in line for our 'Galt' audition! I'll be easy to find - I'll be the guy just in front of you!
-dixon 'egoist' cannon
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Hm, how would you both look with red hair? She loved red hair didn't she.
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I was born with red hair, still have a red beard, but I am not really a cliff diver. Roark was the red head, that was the fountainhead.
Galt was blond, as I am now.
Actually, I think I might be more suited to a Ragnar look. More beef and broad than lean and sinewy.
Galt was blond, as I am now.
Actually, I think I might be more suited to a Ragnar look. More beef and broad than lean and sinewy.
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We got a bit into the Pelegian vs. Augustinian battle here at the 'Plot cheat' thread that turned into one on Burgess and A Clockwork Orange.
http://www.thefedoralounge.com/showthread.php?t=15166
Okay, I'm have to reference my dim memory here as I read Rand just about twenty years ago and not since. The problem I had with her is that she makes her captains of industry incredibly noble when we know that you'd be hard pressed to find three noble entrepeneurs in any one room at any one time. Yeah, Bill Gates, gives away a lot of dough, but he also has a lot of dough, and that's because he charges way too much for an OS that still doesn't work. In my mind, ignoble. Michael Dell: ignoble because he's farmed out to Bangalore and doesn't give a fig about the American economy. Donald Trump: don't get me started. (What's that sound I hear? Oh just the wrecking ball destroying another great old building to make room for one of his nauseous Plazas.)
Seems the only place you'll find a billionaire entrepeneur that isn't looking to put the public over a barrel is in Rand's fiction. I equate Objectivism to Communism. Great in theory, but in practice? When it comes to greed, I gotta go with St. Augustine on this one.
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Rand's heroes are not heroes because they are billionaire entrepreneurs.
They are romantic embodiments of her ideology. They are heroes because of how they think, and by character then how they act.
Her heroes are often explicitly not captains of industry.
Rand would not consider Gates good because of his charity. Nor would she villify Dell. She was a rationalist, not a nationalist or a capitalist in the Marxist sense.
In fact she may have approved of Gates for his acumen in spite of his charity and lauded Dell for his outsourcing. For Rand, it would be more 'charitable' to give work to impoverished nations on their wage scale, than to artificially keep the work here, then tax the inflated wages to redistribute in world aid packages.
Many of her scenes with so called captains of industry are actually character sketches of debauchery and corruption you describe.
Many of her characters are not even rich. She even addresses the propagandizing of money. Money is a measure of productive ability, as such it can be no more evil than an 'inch' or a 'decaliter'.
To borrow a quote from one of the speeches in 'Atlas Shrugged':
"Let me give you a tip on a clue to men's characters: the man who damns money has obtained it dishonorably; the man who respects it has earned it.
"Run for your life from any man who tells you that money is evil. That sentence is the leper's bell of an approaching looter...."
As for the old one ism is like another, great in theory, not in practice; I cannot disagree more. It is exactly the theory and the practice of Communism she attacks. But clearly you have confused the movie 'Wall Street' with Objectivism. 'Greed is good' is not a philosophy, it's a line from a movie. Greed is avarice; greed drives a thief, a looter, a collector. Greed does not invent or create. You care confusing the ethical and valuable results of creative, motive force- the by-products or rational behavior- with the hoarding of bangles and goo-gaws.
If you can, re-read some of her work; I can't possibly do her justice. If 'Atlas Shrugged' is too much, try 'Anthem'; it's bite sized, experimental, and there isn't a billionaire or even a dollar to be found in it. Or 'We the Living' which has a dash of Stalinist Communism and some heavy romance...
Rand's heroes are not heroes because they are billionaire entrepreneurs.
They are romantic embodiments of her ideology. They are heroes because of how they think, and by character then how they act.
Her heroes are often explicitly not captains of industry.
Rand would not consider Gates good because of his charity. Nor would she villify Dell. She was a rationalist, not a nationalist or a capitalist in the Marxist sense.
In fact she may have approved of Gates for his acumen in spite of his charity and lauded Dell for his outsourcing. For Rand, it would be more 'charitable' to give work to impoverished nations on their wage scale, than to artificially keep the work here, then tax the inflated wages to redistribute in world aid packages.
Many of her scenes with so called captains of industry are actually character sketches of debauchery and corruption you describe.
Many of her characters are not even rich. She even addresses the propagandizing of money. Money is a measure of productive ability, as such it can be no more evil than an 'inch' or a 'decaliter'.
To borrow a quote from one of the speeches in 'Atlas Shrugged':
"Let me give you a tip on a clue to men's characters: the man who damns money has obtained it dishonorably; the man who respects it has earned it.
"Run for your life from any man who tells you that money is evil. That sentence is the leper's bell of an approaching looter...."
As for the old one ism is like another, great in theory, not in practice; I cannot disagree more. It is exactly the theory and the practice of Communism she attacks. But clearly you have confused the movie 'Wall Street' with Objectivism. 'Greed is good' is not a philosophy, it's a line from a movie. Greed is avarice; greed drives a thief, a looter, a collector. Greed does not invent or create. You care confusing the ethical and valuable results of creative, motive force- the by-products or rational behavior- with the hoarding of bangles and goo-gaws.
If you can, re-read some of her work; I can't possibly do her justice. If 'Atlas Shrugged' is too much, try 'Anthem'; it's bite sized, experimental, and there isn't a billionaire or even a dollar to be found in it. Or 'We the Living' which has a dash of Stalinist Communism and some heavy romance...
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I know Roark was the ORANGE redhead, but I thought Galt was auburn...lessee...I will consult my copy. "...chestnut brown of his hair, the loose strands of the hair shading from brown to gold in the sun..." Maybe he had roots.
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that dang ego again...chestnut to gold.. i read that as dirty blond, 'cause that's what i am.
Iread some people on line putting Brad Pitt out as John Galt.
What the HELL are they thinking?
And Rearden is Tom Cruise, Francisco is Keanu????
Iread some people on line putting Brad Pitt out as John Galt.
What the HELL are they thinking?
And Rearden is Tom Cruise, Francisco is Keanu????
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Then it's really nothing but a fable, isn't it? For The Tooth of Crime Sam Shepard created a future world based on rock stars in power and the charts deciding who would be in power. I sincerely doubt if that's ever going to come to pass either, so expounding the philosophy of it is really moot.
Yes, very rational and all logic. Too bad the rest of us suffer from human emotion. Again, I don't know much about Rand, but I do recall that while I was reading her novels, I could see her stepping over a dying man in the gutter, believing it not to be her problem.
Worked for Edison. Reference any article on Tesla.
Look, I'm trying to be contrarian here. All I'm saying is that she made her theories look good and noble by filtering them through good and noble characters. Find me a handful of good and noble men and women who have a hand in running this crazy planet, and maybe I'll change my mind.
I'm keen to hear Baron Kurtz' take on this. Baron?
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