Adult men and outsticking (T-/Polo-/Man's-)shirts - a classic controversial point?

[Edward]

On a side note, Einstein often wore suits. Just imagine how creative he'd have been in pink bunny slippers and an oversized "Frankie Goes To Hollywood" t-shirt.

I'm sure it's an urban legend, but I use to love that story about Einstein's wardrobe consisting of multiples of the same outfit so that he would use less brain space thinking of what to wear and have more devoted to his research. While I am firmly of the opinion that there are places where uniform is appropriate (not least in schools!), I don't think I could cope with wearing thesame thing on every occasion with no variation myself!

 

[Panadora]

Its true. This Whole 'feminist equality' BS has been nothing more than a propagated program for ignorants from elite pockets to produce more workers for higher profit margins. And what started as a 'choice' for women to work, now is a necessity, contributing to the decay of the family unit and subsequently the deteriorating social constructs we are seeing emerge quite often as of late. It is truly frustrating when you try to explain this to pseudo intellectuals and they assume you are ignorant when in fact, you just understand how things work...

If It wasn't for all that feminist equality BS your fine education would probably be nothing but a distant dream!

 

[philosophygirl78]

And on what certitude do you base that affirmation ?

?????????

On the certitude that the decay of standard of living in the united states over the past 30-40 years now requires a two parent household to both work full time in order in most cases to make ends meet and live in a decent area. How many people do you know that can afford to live on a one income household in the 'middle class'?

Blaming women for any supposed breakdown in society ???? TUT,TUT,...................we have the society we created or rather deserve & everyone is responsible.

I haven't blamed Women for Anything... Not at all. I blame the drivers of social constructs that play puppet masters in not just this arena but many others as well. Alot of recent ones as well... (Not related to feminism)

Self-delusion ?

You could say everyone is self delusional in some, often many regards... There are even people in this world who think political leaders 'care' about the people... Shoot, talk about delusional...

I like to educate myself before forming opinions, and in the good spirit of seeking knowledge, those opinions do change quite often on topics such as this. But nothing up to now has shown me anything verifiable or implied even to do so.

 

[philosophygirl78]

If It wasn't for all that feminist equality BS your fine education would probably be nothing but a distant dream!

How do you define education? I would argue that the modern education system fails at even remotely a good job of educating women. And men for that matter.

 

[philosophygirl78]

Its true. This Whole 'feminist equality' BS has been nothing more than a propagated program for ignorants from elite pockets to produce more workers for higher profit margins. And what started as a 'choice' for women to work, now is a necessity, contributing to the decay of the family unit and subsequently the deteriorating social constructs we are seeing emerge quite often as of late. It is truly frustrating when you try to explain this to pseudo intellectuals and they assume you are ignorant when in fact, you just understand how things work...

Why explain? The plan has been in place for quite some time now. I loathe to think that we may have reached a tipping point, though.[/QUOTE]

I think the tipping point you referred to was reached in the 70's... After that is has been a continual decay... Can you name any progress toward the betterment of humanity that has arisen since then - (without the pursuit of profit being placed FIRST)? .

 

[Panadora]

How do you define education? I would argue that the modern education system fails at even remotely a good job of educating women. And men for that matter.

In this case any academic education would do

 

[Lean'n'mean]

You could say everyone is self delusional in some, often many regards...

Absolutely, which is why we can never claim to know anything about the ins & outs of something we have no personal experience of....& even then !
Our view of the world has been clouded by our past, our political leanings, our sensitivities, & also how we imagine things to be as it's comforts our prejudices & preconceptions. At best, all we can have are points of view & opinions, the difficult part is not to believe our own press.

 

[Lean'n'mean]

. After that is has been a continual decay... Can you name any progress toward the betterment of humanity that has arisen since then - (without the pursuit of profit being placed FIRST)? .

I happen to believe that equal opportunities for women, which falls under the banner of Human Rights, is indeed a betterment of humanity. All of our liberties that we take for granted today in the 'developed world' were gained by courageous & determined individuals who believed in the betterment of humanity. If it wasn't for the legal & social battles won by the members of the feminist movements, all a large number of women could look forward to, was a lifetime of homely bliss, hoovering the floor, washing clothes, looking after the kids & lovingly preparing hubby's meals. Being dependant on men might please some women but fortunately, those who wish to reach their full potential both in the work place & in society can now do so. I realize of course that some women are forced to work by their financial situation & may have low payed, unrewarding jobs & to whom my dribble above would probably sound irrelevant, I commiserate with them & only hope something is done to improve their conditions.
There are countries in the world where women don't have equal opportunites & often don't even have rights, I have a hunch, many would prefer to be a woman in our Nation(s) than in theirs.

 

[Lean'n'mean]

I like to educate myself before forming opinions,.

Be careful not to let your opinions form your education.

 

[philosophygirl78]

Absolutely, which is why we can never claim to know anything about the ins & outs of something we have no personal experience of....& even then !
Our view of the world has been clouded by our past, our political leanings, our sensitivities, & also how we imagine things to be as it's comforts our prejudices & preconceptions. At best, all we can have are points of view & opinions, the difficult part is not to believe our own press.

And then there is the practice of Sunyata, Kenosis, Kaizen, Six Sigma, etc, very specifically to remove those pre conceived notions. This is a pretty good summary explanation using a modern school of thought on Kyoto from Stanford: http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/kyoto-school/

 

[philosophygirl78]

Be careful not to let your opinions form your education.

Never!!

 

[philosophygirl78]

I happen to believe that equal opportunities for women, which falls under the banner of Human Rights, is indeed a betterment of humanity. All of our liberties that we take for granted today in the 'developed world' were gained by courageous & determined individuals who believed in the betterment of humanity. If it wasn't for the legal & social battles won by the members of the feminist movements, all a large number of women could look forward to, was a lifetime of homely bliss, hoovering the floor, washing clothes, looking after the kids & lovingly preparing hubby's meals. Being dependant on men might please some women but fortunately, those who wish to reach their full potential both in the work place & in society can now do so. I realize of course that some women are forced to work by their financial situation & may have low payed, unrewarding jobs & to whom my dribble above would probably sound irrelevant, I commiserate with them & only hope something is done to improve their conditions.
There are countries in the world where women don't have equal opportunites & often don't even have rights, I have a hunch, many would prefer to be a woman in our Nation(s) than in theirs.

I was not referring to Equal Rights. Of course that is for the betterment of humanity. I was referring to the Feminist Movement that came later. Different topics.

 

[Lean'n'mean]

This is a pretty good summary explanation using a modern school of thought on Kyoto from Stanford: http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/kyoto-school/

That's a summary ???? Is there a condensed version of the summary ?

I must admit I do like,
Absolute Nothingness: Giving Philosophical Form to the Formless

That just about sums it up.

 

[philosophygirl78]

That's a summary ???? Is there a condensed version of the summary ?

I must admit I do like,
Absolute Nothingness: Giving Philosophical Form to the Formless

That just about sums it up.

What I like about the practice is that is leads into many moments of profound realization and subsequently disquisition with any previously held beliefs on a thing. I haven't had many, perhaps 4-5 over the last 20 years. Although I am a proponent that one should deconstruct and rebuild from scratch beliefs every 7 years or so.

 

[scottyrocks]

When someone is comfortable, they are generally more truthful. In higher education, sincerity, depth and deconstructing knowledge to arrive at new and perhaps more accurate ideas requires comfort.

Who is to say that folks aren't comfortable in, for instance, an eclectic 'pairing' of a jacket, waistcoat, and tie? I am very comfortable and content in that look because I like it on me better than when I am dressed in what I will call a more slovenly manner.

If you're gonna generalize, perhaps not make it sound like irrefutable truth.

 

[Lean'n'mean]

Although I am a proponent that one should deconstruct and rebuild from scratch beliefs every 7 years or so.

The 7 year itch eh ?

 

[scottyrocks]

How do you define education? I would argue that the modern education system fails at even remotely a good job of educating women. And men for that matter.

Our view of the world has been clouded by our past, our political leanings, our sensitivities, & also how we imagine things to be as it's comforts our prejudices & preconceptions. At best, all we can have are points of view & opinions, the difficult part is not to believe our own press.

It has become quite fashionable these days to say that the education system is failing. But one needs to examine way more than just 'the education system' to understand why.

Today's world is not yesterday's world. Educators have way more to compete with with each passing year. Declining moral standards, electronic distractions, the sense of entitlement, and politicians pandering to their voting blocks are rampant.

Let's take this last point. The last thing any politician will do is to tell parents the truth about how their unruly children should be dealt with, or enact discipline policies that will make fundamental differences in the way schools are run, affecting their success rates. It is much easier to get re-elected if you find scapegoats that are a small minority of your voting block.

 

[philosophygirl78]

Who is to say that folks aren't comfortable in, for instance, an eclectic 'pairing' of a jacket, waistcoat, and tie? I am very comfortable and content in that look because I like it on me better than when I am dressed in what I will call a more slovenly manner.

If you're gonna generalize, perhaps not make it sound like irrefutable truth.

oh no, on the contrary. 'Comfort' means different things to different people.... Especially given the location or situation.

 

[philosophygirl78]

The 7 year itch eh ?

HAH! 7, 14.. whatever...

 

[philosophygirl78]

Better than german package-tourist.

rough...