Here's a Bates ad from 1977. Look at the three o'clock pic (in green). Definitely below the waist.
My Bates Jackets are some of my favorites. I love the looks of them.
I agree 100% . That said, I don't want to disenfranchise anybody or any group. I'll offer myself up: a middle-aged straight guy who loves motorcycle jackets and only rides a bicycle.
Take your best shots, lol!
I sent my jackets to Dena and she's been great to work with. I have an LW needing a new zipper she'll be working on once her arm heals from a recent surgery. Thanks for the tip.
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