Homburg Nation

[mayserwegener]

Dermotta Wien Homburg, size 58cm. I only have one other Dermotta Wien and it's also a Homburg. Probably late 1950s.

 

[Chepstow]

Steve, sharp Homburg, I like the wide brimmed. Nice shape!

 

[Rabbit]

Scott London Homburg Part I

A pitch-black mint British Homburg from the 1940s that shows pre-WWII design features, namely the frayed ribbon, wide sweatband, and 52ish block shape. Due to the straight block shape, this hat calls for dents to be placed more toward the side (if any).

2 1/8" sweatband, fairly thin leather

For shooting, the hat is resting on a metal lever which causes a bump at the very center of the crown roof. The block shape is actually very straight-sided and flat.

 

[Rabbit]

Scott London Homburg Part II

Shipping box dated 1948, liner dated 1941

 

[Chepstow]

Rabbit, great find and Hat. Very nice shape, I hope we see a noggin shot!

 

[mayserwegener]

Rabbit, Great Homburg + original shipping box. It's rare to find the original box with these older ones. Also having the date stamp is a major plus (you see this mostly with English, Austrian and German made hats).

Manfred, Thanks again!

 

[Rabbit]

Rabbit, Great Homburg + original shipping box. It's rare to find the original box with these older ones. Also having the date stamp is a major plus (you see this mostly with English and German made hats).

Thank you. Do you know if there is a method behind the liner dating? What I mean is, were the liners being stamped when the hat was actually produced or is it possible that the liners themselves were stamped with the date, then simply stored for further use, whenever that might have been?

 

[Chepstow]

Rabbit, my guess, the liner was stamped if the Hat was actually produced.A stamped liner is also very rare. Most date stamp, you find at the sweat band.

 

[mayserwegener]

As Manfred said German and Austrian date stamps are usually on the inside of the sweatband.

I have a P. & C. Habig Wien Homburg that was date stamped on the sweatband and the year matched the production year on the paper label (see photos below).

Sweat band with the production date of November 29, 1940.

The last two numbers are the production year ######/###/40.

I haven't come across any documentation that mentions anything about date stamps and not all hats from the same time period and manufacturer have them so I don't think we can say for sure.

 

[seabass]

Mayser W & Rabbit !
Both Are Awesome !
Killer Finds ! & Great Pics.

 

[mayserwegener]

Thanks! This thread has so many great Homburgs!

 

[Rabbit]

Thank you, Che.

I haven't come across any documentation that mentions anything about date stamps and not all hats from the same time period and manufacturer have them so I don't think we can say for sure.

Mayserwegener, thanks for the info. That's just what I thought - but with your experience on the matter your input definitely weighs more.

 

[Joshbru3]

GORGEOUS Scotts homburg, Rabbit!! I have owned several pre-1940 English hats, and I can honestly say that they are always of the highest quality. I have owned 3 Dunn & Co hats, and I have loved them all. I have never bought a Scotts hat, but after seeing your pictures, I'm on the hunt for one. Its wonderful that your Scotts and Roberts Scotts are both dated.

 

[Rabbit]

GORGEOUS Scotts homburg, Rabbit!! I have owned several pre-1940 English hats, and I can honestly say that they are always of the highest quality. I have owned 3 Dunn & Co hats, and I have loved them all. I have never bought a Scotts hat, but after seeing your pictures, I'm on the hunt for one. Its wonderful that your Scotts and Roberts Scotts are both dated.

Thank you so much, Josh. So they are called Scotts hats, not Scott, is that correct? The black Homburg has Scott & Co as well as Scotts written on liner and sweat, respectively.

The felt quality on this one is nothing short of amazing. It's on a par with my Stetson Special Homburg from the late 1930s; the felt is softer (in fact, it's very soft by any standard) and more malleable which makes it appear more luxurious still. The finish is a little different; it's ever so slightly less sanded down, if that makes any sense.

 

[alanfgag]

great Scott!

 

[Rabbit]

great Scott!

I'm glad you said that. The wait is over. lol

 

[alanfgag]

Sorry... I couldn't stand it any longer.

 

[Rabbit]

Well the hatmaker was asking for it...

 

[Joshbru3]

Thank you so much, Josh. So they are called Scotts hats, not Scott, is that correct? The black Homburg has Scott & Co as well as Scotts written on liner and sweat, respectively.

The felt quality on this one is nothing short of amazing. It's on a par with my Stetson Special Homburg from the late 1930s; the felt is softer (in fact, it's very soft by any standard) and more malleable which makes it appear more luxurious still. The finish is a little different; it's ever so slightly less sanded down, if that makes any sense.

Well as far as I know, the company name was Scott & Co, but I also think they were referred to as "Scotts Hats." I believe they were both interchangeable for the company.

I know exactly what you mean about the finish. My 1930's Dunn & Co homburg is very soft and well finished, the felt molds like clay due to the wonderful shellac used. Almost every single prewar hat I have ever received, out of the box is floppy, but once given a good steaming and brushing, the felt stiffens up into this perfect match of firm and pliable.

 

[Annixter]

I now own my first Homburg and am quite pleased. With the help of Rabbit (Nik), I found this c.1930's Christy's of London "Diploma Quality" Homburg. It was dusty and had some flecking, but after a good brushing, a damp-sponge cleaning, some light steam shaping, and Neatsfoot oil to the sweat, it's looking great. The felt is pretty dense and has a very nice feel and texture after brushing, and I really like the brim's contours. I received an old and beat-up Hamilton and Co Inc. hat box with the Homburg, but I'm pretty sure it is not the original.

Thanks goes to Rabbit for his volunteered help which has allowed me to further my knowledge and obtain a great first Homburg in what I foresee will be a long line.